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Nirath's plans for conflict.

Posted By chipla at 7:06 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Posted By Tiberius Theron at 5:39 PM - Mon Dec 19, 2016

We as the community need to push for our Kingdoms to be setup peacefully and have friendly sportsmanlike war-games.

Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor, and the contrary opinion is wishful thinking at its worst. Breeds that forget this basic truth have always paid for it with their lives and their freedoms. - Robert A. Heinlein

This quote is as true in video games as it is in the real world. EVE and other similar sandboxes have taught us that matters of, resources, honour, ideology, and pride can and will be settled through the utility of force.

The developers for CoE have, as well as designing a fantasy sandbox have allowed for aspects of politics and geopolitics with their Dance of Dynasties. For the political side of the game to have any meaning or semblance of reality war must be available as a political tool. Major General von Clausewitz famously posited in Vom Krieg that war was a continuation of political intercourse by other means, in other words, that war was a vital political strategy for compelling another nation to obey your will. Any nation or group that fails to utilise war as a tool efficiently puts itself at a (possibly fatal) disadvantage both in the Dance and in the wider political arena.

Now wars are destructive and have many adverse effects. This is likely to be true in CoE as it is in real life. It becomes the duty of Kings and other political and military leaders to recognise the disadvantages as well as the advantages of war and to decide their policy based around that. The punishment for war won't be a mass desertion of the game, EVE has taught us that large-scale warfare doesn't equate to a loss of player-base, the punishment for war will be time spent rebuilding damaged infrastructure and economies, while those nations who remained at peace will be able to take advantage of any innovations developed during the war (and war is the mother of invention) and be able to surge ahead economy wise.

Playing wargames rather than engaging in actual warfare doesn't allow for innovation, for political capital, for the settling of issues. Wargames don't provide any actual benefits to a kingdom aside from preventing the carebears, hippies, and socialists from crying and frankly those groups may have issues in an open-world PVP survival environment anyway, and any kingdom that tries not to engage in actual warfare against its opponents frankly deserves what's coming.

For anyone unsure about Nirath's intentions, this should give you a heads up. Their theme is incidentally focused on "Crusades", so expect some early aggro, and possibly consequence :) The key note here is they currently wish to pick their opponents and expect them to put up little resistance. There will no doubt be references to the "Crusades" and "Daemon" theme being "peaceful" and "nature loving". Feel free to believe that, but when it's stated in plain sight for all to read... :)

Why am I posting this? Just to tip you all off so you will take precautions and ensure you're ready to act. Hopefully then, the first "charge" of Nirath won't result in waves of quitters.

DO build up a heavy military force, ready to react and support other kingdoms against aggressors - an army threatening one kingdom will eventually look for it's next victim. Assume your rivals are building up military might from the outset.

Incidentally you may be confused like me by this quote: "EVE has taught us that large-scale warfare doesn't equate to a loss of player-base". EVE had a massive following, and now has a very small fraction of that.

Prepare for down votes - encouraging other kingdoms to prepare for the worst isn't popular :)


12/19/2016 10:24:33 PM #1

Why do I think that you're drawing conclusions out of thin air again? Edit: I'm getting a little tired of people grabbing things out of context and portraying them as different than they are....


12/19/2016 10:29:11 PM #2

Posted By Exhibition at 10:24 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Why do I think that you're drawing conclusions out of thin air again? Edit: I'm getting a little tired of people grabbing things out of context and portraying them as different than they are....

Are you under the impression they are not planning conflict? Have you not read any of their content? The theme around crusades for example? Do you think that means long marches with flowers?

You're attempting to portray them as something they aren't, while pointing at me and accusing me of doing so? :)


12/19/2016 10:32:40 PM #3

Who is NOT planning conflict?

Now, no one is delusional about this as some people are. Wars will cost money, time and resources, and not 1 bloody kingdom will wage war all the time, cause it will just make it collapse. If you can't understand a simple thing like that you keep your mouth shut and stop embarassing yourself with ramblings of a I better not say what.

As if all the plans made here by all the people and kingdoms wont change AFTER RELEASE. Most kingdoms will strugle to survive in few months time after release.

I wish some king would already give you your piece of neutral land so you would shut the fuck up about your fucking personal crusade against Nirath.


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12/19/2016 10:35:57 PM #4

Posted By Grayshade at 10:32 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Who is NOT planning conflict?

As if all the plans made here by all the people and kingdoms wont change AFTER RELEASE.

I reckon most kingdoms will strugle to survive in few months time after release.

I wish some king would already give you your piece of neutral land so you would shut the fuck up about your fucking personal crusade against Nirath.

For the records, I don't really want neutral land. It would be a building right in the middle of a warzone, surrounded by far larger armies than occupied it. I just want the MECHANICS to be in there. Non-kingdom land opens up the opportunity to have contested areas with relatively trouble-free combat.. just something to keep the pvp nuts occupied and competing without hitting too much of the wider player base. Call it a buffer zone, and an opportunity to "field test" mechanics without triggering a change of state.

That would be bad... A ten year story surely wouldn't be expected to undergo a few-month end to kingdom conflicts with an immediate victor? The continent consists of anything up to 100k players, and (X)00k NPCs. If you can "slap the continent" like that, somethings not working.

I think a kingdom managing to "flatten the continent" within a few months will damage the games success. If it's an aggressive bunch you can well imagine the policies and loss of players that ensue, short of a sudden triggered "global revolt". Of all the kingdoms, this one provides the greatest prompts to prepare for aggression. Like yours ;)


12/19/2016 10:45:43 PM #5

Posted By Oracle at 11:35 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Posted By Grayshade at 10:32 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Who is NOT planning conflict?

As if all the plans made here by all the people and kingdoms wont change AFTER RELEASE.

I reckon most kingdoms will strugle to survive in few months time after release.

I wish some king would already give you your piece of neutral land so you would shut the fuck up about your fucking personal crusade against Nirath.

For the records, I don't really want neutral land. It would be a building right in the middle of a warzone, surrounded by far larger armies than occupied it. I just want the mechanics to be in there. Non-kingdom land opens up the opportunity to have contested areas with relatively trouble-free combat.. just something to keep the pvp nuts occupied and competing without hitting too much of the wider player base.

That would be bad... A ten year story surely wouldn't be expected to undergo a few-month end to kingdom conflicts with an immediate victor?

Confirmed "Oracle plans on conquering land" Direct quote: "I want land" followed by warzone and he's clearly planning on combat.

So watch out, Oracle out for blood, he even admits to being nuts.

Confirmed 2016.


12/19/2016 10:57:41 PM #6

Posted By Liva at 10:45 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Posted By Oracle at 11:35 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Posted By Grayshade at 10:32 PM - Mon Dec 19 2016

Who is NOT planning conflict?

As if all the plans made here by all the people and kingdoms wont change AFTER RELEASE.

I reckon most kingdoms will strugle to survive in few months time after release.

I wish some king would already give you your piece of neutral land so you would shut the fuck up about your fucking personal crusade against Nirath.

For the records, I don't really want neutral land. It would be a building right in the middle of a warzone, surrounded by far larger armies than occupied it. I just want the mechanics to be in there. Non-kingdom land opens up the opportunity to have contested areas with relatively trouble-free combat.. just something to keep the pvp nuts occupied and competing without hitting too much of the wider player base.

That would be bad... A ten year story surely wouldn't be expected to undergo a few-month end to kingdom conflicts with an immediate victor?

Confirmed "Oracle plans on conquering land" Direct quote: "I want land" followed by warzone and he's clearly planning on combat.

So watch out, Oracle out for blood, he even admits to being nuts.

Confirmed 2016.

It's all true. Build up large armies and be prepared folks ;) lol

EDIT: I would have taken that approach from the outset to stir people into building up defensive armies, but coming from a count it wouldn't be taken seriously enough


12/19/2016 11:13:34 PM #7

Anyone should prepare for conflict from anyone. It's not so hard to put on a friendly face, only to turn around and slip a knife through the ribs of a trusting 'ally'. It's also not hard to find some "just" reason to rise up against someone, be it your neighbor or your neighboring kingdom.

Some people are more open about their approach. Frankly I'd like to see more kingdoms show their teeth instead of putting out vague promises of free land and flowers and puppies and peace. "Desert Kingdom" and "Crusades" sounds like a more interesting approach than "peaceful generic medieval kingdom #22" when you're looking to delve into a story.

I'm NA and don't have a horse in this race, but your posts make me more and more interested in Nirath! Not sure that was your goal though.


12/19/2016 11:18:57 PM #8

I don't know who these Nirath guys are, but they sound great. I think ill check them out now.

Thanks OP.

12/20/2016 2:02:23 AM #9

For what I have read of the game so far it's about conflict, that's actually what drives the story forward. So I don't see any problem about what this Nirath trying to do.

And as Vucar said, they sound great and I will check them out as well.


12/20/2016 2:30:56 AM #10

If you want an alternative in Nirath, I'll be running a production/supply focused town.

I'm on Nirath Discord as Grayshade.

Everyone's welcome though. The more the merrier.


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12/20/2016 4:26:55 AM #11

Posted By Oracle at 09:35 AM - Tue Dec 20 2016

I think a kingdom managing to "flatten the continent" within a few months will damage the games success. If it's an aggressive bunch you can well imagine the policies and loss of players that ensue, short of a sudden triggered "global revolt". Of all the kingdoms, this one provides the greatest prompts to prepare for aggression. Like yours ;)

Do you honestly believe any kingdom can flatten even one kingdom in a few months? Let alone the whole server? Even Vornair with their two kingdoms wouldn't be able to pull that off. It takes months to even build up your own kingdom, let alone going around attacking people.

Then even on the course of attacking, everyone will do it at some point. Sure probably won't be for awhile. But if you think there is some carebear kingdom out there, well not much hope for you.

So you "leak" this secret when it's not one at all. But you keep going onto your trolling. You seem to like it as much as Zultra. Are you two in the same kingdom?


12/20/2016 8:54:52 AM #12

Si vis pacem para bellum?


Duke of Lyrhia

12/20/2016 9:26:52 AM #13

DAMN IT HE'S ONTO OUR SUICIDE GLIDER TACTIC!


Yu'tui of the agricultural town of Valaris.

12/20/2016 9:40:28 AM #14

Seriously, once again those stupid buffer zones? Since this game is also about survival, why would you limit PvP/wars to specific zones? The game has perma death ffs, but you want wars to be pseudo instanced.


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12/20/2016 9:57:22 AM #15

Nooope. No, Never, Please god no.

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Jokes aside, creating any sort of 'Safe zone' goes entirely against one of the major purposes of this game. Part of the fun is the danger, but also would hinder an entire aspect of crime and justice. You'd just see a bunch of OPCs huddled in there.


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