Posted By Bazak at 9:58 PM - Mon Jan 16 2017

probably would have been better to put this into the RP forum then, general is not the best place for this. as the assumption most would have (without you mentioning and making it clear in your first paragraph)

Lol these quotes are getting out of hand, mind if I just trim it down? So in hindsight this in RP might have been a better place, However I feel that if we can at least get this discussion going as it has been. We can actually come up with a much better system (or systems) that better fits CoE and isn't a direct rip from only one place on earth such as this guide.

Posted By kuthedk at 11:14 PM - Mon Jan 16 2017

Posted By Bazak at 9:58 PM - Mon Jan 16 2017

probably would have been better to put this into the RP forum then, general is not the best place for this. as the assumption most would have (without you mentioning and making it clear in your first paragraph)

Lol these quotes are getting out of hand, mind if I just trim it down? So in hindsight this in RP might have been a better place, However I feel that if we can at least get this discussion going as it has been. We can actually come up with a much better system (or systems) that better fits CoE and isn't a direct rip from only one place on earth such as this guide.

hehe, ya good idea trimming it. however i do think asking a mod to move it to RP would be a good idea, you will get the people who actually care to RP in there, the people most likely to contribute to this conversation as well.

rather than people like me who intend to do exactly what we do IRL.

Despite what anyone says, I think this post was very informative and maybe some kingdoms will take note of this. I know myself I was wondering how a countess was going to be addressed though I'm sure each kingdom in Elyria will have their own way of things such as Vornair calling their counts thanes and dukes as Jarls instead for example. Every kingdom has their own "theme" to it.

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This topic kicks off an interesting discussion. Let me try to turn up the heat a bit to get this rolling because we will have to discuss this anyway at some point in the future.

First a disclaimer: I am no big RPer. I was when I was younger but the older I grew and the less time I had the less I cared about RP. I non the less try to respect everybodys RP and I think RPers add a lot of flavor to a mmo world.

Now that we got this out of the way: non the less I think if you walk up to the guy with the crown and his ten fully armed bodyguards and adress him with: "yo dude! Whazup? I need to talk to ya, Dawg!" you shouldn't be surprised if the guards beat you down and leave you in the streets to the care of whoever thinks he or she should take care of you. If you are surprised about that I see no way to help you. And if you are coming to the forum to complain about the incident I assure you I will be among the first people to laugh at you.

After all this is a low fantasy midage game with a hierarchy that gets enforced by the game mechanic. We all knew that before we bought in.

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised if people want to role play. It makes things more interesting.

Posted By Orisoll at 08:19 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised when people role play.

Indeed. You don't have to respect the player. You don't even have to respect the character he or she is playing. But you should try to respect the role the character represents.

Posted By Orisoll at 07:19 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised when people role play.

I respect people who role play but it doesn't stop me from thinking it is a little bit silly though.

Here let me try role playing:

"How dare you address a Duke peasant?!"

Posted By Cromulent at 08:23 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Orisoll at 07:19 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised when people role play.

I respect people who role play but it doesn't stop me from thinking it is a little bit silly though.

Here let me try role playing:

"How dare you address a Duke peasant?!"

Hehe a worthy try. Well of course you are right. You bought the game and you are entitled to play the game the way you want. But you aren't entitled to enforce your game play on others. What happens if you cross the path of a character that has a game play that is the direct opposit of yours? What you call silly is maybe important to others.

Posted By Atogrim at 07:44 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 08:23 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Orisoll at 07:19 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised when people role play.

I respect people who role play but it doesn't stop me from thinking it is a little bit silly though.

Here let me try role playing:

"How dare you address a Duke peasant?!"

Hehe a worthy try. Well of course you are right. You bought the game and you are entitled to play the game the way you want. But you aren't entitled to enforce your game play on others. What happens if you cross the path of a character that has a game play that is the direct opposit of yours? What you call silly is maybe important to others.

If I meet a role player I'll try and play with them respectfully but I won't do anything I consider silly. I won't grovel in front of a king for instance and I won't expect those underneath me to grovel before me either. As I said I'm quite happy for people to call me anything they want. If they want to call me "Your Grace" then that is all well and good but the difference between role players and non-role players is that I won't force them to address me in any specific manner.

I'll just play the game in a normal, polite and friendly manner. Hopefully that'll please both role players and non-role players alike. Being respectful does not mean you have to do what ever people want you to do.

I'm just looking to make friends while I play :).

Yee Peasant Scum, bow before thine Lord and grovel. :) But in all seriousness, thanks for the post. Beyond that I was always under the impression that "your grace" is usually used for monarchs and your Lord for dukes and nobles but I could be wrong.

Posted By Cromulent at 08:54 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Atogrim at 07:44 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 08:23 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Orisoll at 07:19 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Posted By Cromulent at 01:55 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Honestly I don't give a damn how people address me. They can call me anything they like as long as they are prepared to work with me in a mutually beneficial way.

This being the internet and everything I'm sure I'll be called all kinds of nasty names at some point by one group or another.

I think people who want to be addressed in the "correct" manner have confidence issues. Does it really mean that much to you if someone calls you "Your Grace" in a computer game? If so you need to get a life.

This being a role playing game, you really shouldn't be surprised when people role play.

I respect people who role play but it doesn't stop me from thinking it is a little bit silly though.

Here let me try role playing:

"How dare you address a Duke peasant?!"

Hehe a worthy try. Well of course you are right. You bought the game and you are entitled to play the game the way you want. But you aren't entitled to enforce your game play on others. What happens if you cross the path of a character that has a game play that is the direct opposit of yours? What you call silly is maybe important to others.

If I meet a role player I'll try and play with them respectfully but I won't do anything I consider silly. I won't grovel in front of a king for instance and I won't expect those underneath me to grovel before me either. As I said I'm quite happy for people to call me anything they want. If they want to call me "Your Grace" then that is all well and good but the difference between role players and non-role players is that I won't force them to address me in any specific manner.

I'll just play the game in a normal, polite and friendly manner. Hopefully that'll please both role players and non-role players alike. Being respectful does not mean you have to do what ever people want you to do.

I'm just looking to make friends while I play :).

Don't get me wrong, i absolutley agree with you approach. I am willing to play along as long as the RPing King can deal with the fact that "your majesty" i pretty much all RP he will get from me on 355 of 365 days a year. But we are both non RPrs to some degree. I really would like to get the input from a RPing person. Because you and i might agree that this is the middle ground, but what about them ;-)?

On a side not: Dukes and Counts didn't grovel ;-) Especially in the western parts of midage europe Dukes declared themselves Grand Dukes if the King sucked too much. By that they became royalty and tried to legitimate their sedition ;-)

Great guide for adressing rl nobility.

But it's my hope that any self-respecting Kingdom will have their preferred style of etiquette drawn up before launch.

Posted By Lofi at 02:53 AM - Tue Jan 17 2017

Great guide for adressing rl nobility.

But it's my hope that any self-respecting Kingdom will have their preferred style of etiquette drawn up before launch.

That's pretty much why I started this. In many kingdoms, there doesn't seem to be a preferred style of etiquette. As someone else in this post suggested. We and or kings/queens themselves should put forward a suggested style of etiquette that we could try to adopt here in CoE.

I just wanted to thank the original poster for putting this together. Such great information to have for role play!