Hey Folks,

I wanted to address this thread as it reflects a new design journal I've been working on for a while titled, "The role we play in Role-Play."

Rather than spoil the details of my design journal, for now let me respond to Mystic and several of the other replies.

Posted By mystichaze at 11:10 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

Recently I have seen several conversations and threads that are a result of discord drama and personal feelings about other players.

I think this is an important and valid observation. It's important to note because, while Discord is often played by people "in-character", the forums are currently "out-of-character", which can be ascertained by recognizing that what you see are players' user names, not character names. This is an important distinction as we move forward in the Dance.

Posted By mystichaze at 11:10 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

I am asking as a personal favor, for it to please stop. If you feel the need to discuss your opinions, can it not be kept to your individual discord channels and communities?

The forums are a valid place to discuss peoples' opinions. However, do be mindful of the code of conduct.

Posted By mystichaze at 11:17 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

Hehe.. One needs to be able to separate the game from real life interactions don't you think? My sig, of course, is meant for gameplay.

Yes. Absolutely. We're creating a game that is inherently, intentionally contentious. We are introducing inequalities and broaching difficult subjects like social classes, racism, and religious differences. These are being introduced into the game world as they are a source of conflict and do create dramatic situations.

However, the players need to be able to differentiate between what is "in-character" and what isn't. Stuff that is "in-character" shouldn't be taken "out-of-character" in a hostile manner. If something happened IC you're uncomfortable with, it's ok to discuss it. But we cannot interpret in-character stuff as a personal attack and then take that to the forums.

Posted By Yorick at 11:19 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

What you don't realize however, is the game has already started. People are already forming their groups and relations to each other. The dance has begun whether you like it or not.

She wasn't discussing the Dance. She was discussing the personal attacks that are becoming more prevalent on the forums. The Dance isn't an excuse for making OOC digs at people, not violating the CoC.

Posted By mystichaze at 11:24 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

I might decide to attack another County in-game, but that doesn't nessassarly mean I don't like the player out of game. It is a lot more fun in fact if you do get along with your rivals

She gets it. We're all here to have fun. For players to get the most out of the game, and the forums, they'll need to learn to Dance the Dance, and then step OOC to shake hands and have a laugh.

Posted By Alabast at 11:30 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

This is what the Dance looks like; shitposting and propaganda wars.

This is what you signed up for when you pledged nobility. You might not of been aware of that fact, but this is the reality.

Actually, it isn't. Once we get the in-character portions of the forums set up, players will see a clear distinction between character and player conversations. Our goal is for the community forum to remain a place where players come together to help one another, share information and ideas, and discuss in-game events on behalf of their characters.

Put differently, if the players want to come on the forums and discuss the events happening in the Kingdom of Kairos, great! But players should be able to discuss events far more impartially than their characters might.

Posted By CheshireVee at 11:34 AM - Wed Mar 22 2017

What I don't care for is some of the drama of people feeling entitled to make demands of the devs or people bringing up personal drama that has nothing to do with the dance of dynasties.

What Cheshire said.

Posted By mystichaze at 10:52 PM - Wed Mar 22 2017

I find it a bit sad that we would need more moderators. There was a time when that wasn't the case. :(

We are significantly larger than we were when you joined the community - so we do need a few more. I also find it sad that people rarely show respect to the people who've been in the community longer than them or have a prettier border. This should mean something to people.

Posted By Gunnlang at 11:27 PM - Wed Mar 22 2017

When people can troll and do borderline personal insults for months on end. I be surprised if SBS really cares about what is going on now or will in the future.

Surprise! We care. A lot. But we can't be here all the time while also developing the game. It's just not sustainable. That said, we also try not to have a heavy hand with moderation because we're ultimately trying to groom a community that knows how to self-moderate.

But things appear to be getting a bit out of hand lately. We'll be a bit more proactive for a while so folks know what our expectations are.

Posted By Primus Dedumo at 12:14 PM - Thu Mar 23 2017

yeah, they have not met the eve community :p The truth is there are alot of people out there thinking that they will be able to live a nice quite life, yet have not realized that CoE has no safe zones.

I think a lot of people assume that CoE is ultimately lawless like most other MMOs when in fact it isn't. CoE is much more like our own world. You can commit crimes, but it's both socially and legally unacceptable. Those who plan to come into CoE and "rape, murder, and pillage" may find they create a good story for a while, but ultimately the game is slanted against them. It's fun and lucrative if you can be successful in that life - but most players can't.

Posted By Dazzle Sewbright at 6:32 PM - Thu Mar 23 2017

This OP is something else. Literally whining about controversy on the forums and thinks that the solution is to create a whine thread... Could have fooled me with your understanding of reality and the internet. Here is a thought grow some skin...

Actually, the OP isn't whining about controversy, she's pointing out that the forums lately appear to have degenerated into negativity and personal attacks... like, uh, insulting someone's understanding of reality or the internet... or uh, telling them to grow some skin when they make a valid observation that personal attacks are actually not beneficial to the community's overall health and morale.

So let me offer an alternative. Stop regurgitating what other people say on other community websites. Telling people to grow thicker skin isn't beneficial, and saying "OMG this OP" doesn't make you part of the in-crowd - or maybe it does, but often the in-crowd is wrong, and I'm more than happy to bring down the rod on folks who need it.

We as a community have a choice. We can continue to encourage the spirit of our Code of Conduct, so that we can all take collective comfort in our characters' conflicts (alliteration included), or we can devolve into haters and spew vitriol and contempt across the forums. The choice is yours (Actually it's ours).