Posted By Grim at 11:15 AM - Thu Apr 27 2017
Posted By Apaukolypse at 06:59 AM - Thu Apr 27 2017
I didn't say excommunicate them for the community. I only advised caution when saying openly that one would harbor deviants. If it is known that some lord is harboring thieves and bandits, they may get a bad rep among PCs/NPCs. If it is known a lord is harboring assassins/other types of deviants for the purpose of intrigue and other such activities, that is hardly any better, as that is almost a direct threat to other lords.
I can't see why a Kingdom would look around the map and start marking deviant-harboring Kingdoms for war just because of the fact. That's like going to war because one country was racist against the other cough cough Bush cough. Now, if things get out of hand and toes get stepped on then it becomes an issue. What a Kingdom does within its walls is no one Else's business unless it becomes their business directly. As for being open about their association to Deviants? Remember, not all deviants are going for an evil approach but even if they were it still falls under the "myob" rule anyway. Some Kingdoms, especially smaller ones, benefit highly with "deviants" around; more than larger ones will and most will utilize such characters a lot better than others. Gotta have an open mind with these things...
I also don't remember saying "IF YOU HARBOR DEVIANTS, EVERYONE IN THE SERVER WILL COME TO KILL YOU!1!1". I can't tell if you two are trying to Strawman me or legitimately don't understand my point.
To help you understand what I am saying, lets use some real life examples: The whole Edward Snowden/NSA thing and Vault7. Both were leaks that the US had the means to spy on other countries and was actively doing so. Both cases made the international community give the US a dirty look. They didn't DECLARE WAR on the US, but that definitely did not help the US diplomatically and it took alot of sweeping under the rug.
Why is this relevant to CoE and this conversation? Because announcing to the world that you have the means of Spying on other lords, and are actively doing so, is essentially what you are doing when you publicly announce you are harboring deviants.(So basically, you are just wikileaking yourself).
I don't care about the morality of the deviants. They can be the most 140% loyal to their country, Robin Hood kind of deviant. That doesn't make them less of a deviant. If they are a thief, they are still a thief. If they are a spy, they are still a spy. If they are an assassin, they are still an assassin. All are dangerous things, their morals and ethics just make them dangerous to different people. The people they threaten would be foolish to take such threats lightly. To think otherwise is, as the guy you thanked earlier said, "Narrow Minded".
So I say again, I don't want to excommunicate them from the community, I understand exactly where they fit in the community, I just don't think you do.