I don't think they should do that IMHO, since how can you write it objectively and writing a backdrop of the player created and not Story created kingdoms could conflict with how the story on the ground is actually unfolding.
So they should stick to names, majority tribe and religion and give links; that's it.
I also made a forum post Found Here for the NA- W kingdoms and duchies with some helpful info that I will also be making for the other servers ^.^
So hopefully that helps too! I'm around half way done for the other servers posts (:
Ps. Riftwood hasnt chosen a tribe as it currently stands.
Yorick, I love how much thought you've put into this. Clearly it's something you're passionate about, and it shows.
Just a quick summation of why I thought Kaizen's master list is so positive and useful;
In other words, it's simple, it's easy, it's central.
My one qualm is that by expanding the amount of information on each kingdom, you're doing one of two things;
Now, I know I'd rather have more info & flavour, as I can see you would, but surely the individual threads for each kingdom, as we have stickied in all of the domain subforums, are better suited to this, rather than one megathread? For instance, should an APAC player have to scroll down through all of the NA, & EU servers to get down to the ones that are relevant to them?
One large thread per server domain subforum, posted after domain selection (and potentially even KoE?) listing all of the confirmed kingdoms in that server and providing the following information (not necessarily in this order):
Enacting this, we would have 2 awesome resources; one in Kaizen's original list which is simple and informative, and one that's more in-depth and specialised, providing a feel for the kingdoms as well as listing them. This second post would be more intended for an audience of players who know a lot about CoE already and who are really looking to get to know the kingdoms.
Thoughts?
Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.
Posted By Caelestius at 03:55 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
Yorick, I love how much thought you've put into this. Clearly it's something you're passionate about, and it shows.
Just a quick summation of why I thought Kaizen's master list is so positive and useful;
- It's informative & objective
- It's easy to read
- It has all the links in one easy to locate place
In other words, it's simple, it's easy, it's central.
My one qualm is that by expanding the amount of information on each kingdom, you're doing one of two things;
- Making the list of kingdoms massive, unwieldy and difficult to read, or
- Giving some info about each kingdom but missing out on lots more
Now, I know I'd rather have more info & flavour, as I can see you would, but surely the individual threads for each kingdom, as we have stickied in all of the domain subforums, are better suited to this, rather than one megathread? For instance, should an APAC player have to scroll down through all of the NA, & EU servers to get down to the ones that are relevant to them?
My counter-suggestion is the following;
One large thread per server domain subforum, posted after domain selection (and potentially even KoE?) listing all of the confirmed kingdoms in that server and providing the following information (not necessarily in this order):
- The tribe(s) of that kingdom
- The biome(s) of that kingdom
- The "tone" and culture of that kingdom (such as the flavour text in your OP, Yorick)
- A link to their Discord, Wiki page, recruitment thread, and official site (if applicable)
- A list of their immediate neighbours & a quick summation of the diplomatic relations with those neighbours
- A list of the domains within that kingdom, at least to the Duchy level, and a link to the recruitment page of those domains
Enacting this, we would have 2 awesome resources; one in Kaizen's original list which is simple and informative, and one that's more in-depth and specialised, providing a feel for the kingdoms as well as listing them. This second post would be more intended for an audience of players who know a lot about CoE already and who are really looking to get to know the kingdoms.
Thoughts?
i like the idea of this but it could change at any time and then the kingdoms would want changes to be made and then its up to the op who in this case Yorick is asking be a member of sbs. So I dont think that it should be made like an official post like that. However I wouldnt mind additionally adding that to like my posts at a later date. i just dont think that it would be maintained the way that the kingdoms would want, and could at first reflect positively and then later negatively. its gonna get busy and things are gonna change
100% see where you're coming from, Vi. Do you think it's entirely necessary that the post is made by a member of SbS staff? It adds a certain gravitas, sure, but a post made by the monarch of that kingdom is a bit more dynamic and can be changed easily by them.
That said, when inevitably the player who pledged for that kingdom is no longer monarch of that kingdom, ownership of that post is in question. It's a tricky one. SbS ownership of the post limits the amount that it can reasonably be expected to change, monarch ownership reduces visibility & isn't necessarily future-proof.
Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.
Posted By Caelestius at 04:58 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
100% see where you're coming from, Vi. Do you think it's entirely necessary that the post is made by a member of SbS staff? It adds a certain gravitas, sure, but a post made by the monarch of that kingdom is a bit more dynamic and can be changed easily by them.
That said, when inevitably the player who pledged for that kingdom is no longer monarch of that kingdom, ownership of that post is in question. It's a tricky one. SbS ownership of the post limits the amount that it can reasonably be expected to change, monarch ownership reduces visibility & isn't necessarily future-proof.
Thats my point exactly. From how I see this op's post is him asking for sbs to make the post and I disagree with that. I dont think they should make the post. It would be a thing for the kingdom monarch to make. Pinning it like the kingdom ones would get that little bit of exposure though. Or even a post from sbs after land selection saying "The Kingdoms have chosen!" and have it incorp the servers, the kingdoms, then the discords and forum links again saying to check out the updated info (which would be made anyways after the land selection) with the maps even? Generalized ones showing the kingdoms locations. still gets the exposure with the kingdoms making the posts.
Of course, if everyone agreed that the monarchs get to make it... Then which monarch gets to make it? If all of the NA-E servers got put into one big thread, who would get to make that thread? Obviously each monarch would author their own kingdom's summary, but there'd be a huge amount of contention over who'd get to actually post it, which is another point on the SbS poster side.
Always keep your words soft and sweet, just in case you have to eat them.
Posted By Caelestius at 05:37 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
Of course, if everyone agreed that the monarchs get to make it... Then which monarch gets to make it? If all of the NA-E servers got put into one big thread, who would get to make that thread? Obviously each monarch would author their own kingdom's summary, but there'd be a huge amount of contention over who'd get to actually post it, which is another point on the SbS poster side.
True. And I wouldnt want to force them to use my threads.... Bleh. Its a lot to think over though and brainstorm. Maybe over the next couple days others will also come up with ideas
And he didnt mention Ashland....sigh lol Great post My Dood!
Posted By TheCoz at 09:01 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
And he didnt mention Ashland....sigh lol Great post My Dood!
My list was made as an example on how tribes interact with kingdom values, not as a promotional list. As I'm not familiar with Ashland's pick, I left them out.
Posted By Caelestius at 03:55 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
Yorick, I love how much thought you've put into this. Clearly it's something you're passionate about, and it shows.
Just a quick summation of why I thought Kaizen's master list is so positive and useful;
- It's informative & objective
- It's easy to read
- It has all the links in one easy to locate place
In other words, it's simple, it's easy, it's central.
My one qualm is that by expanding the amount of information on each kingdom, you're doing one of two things;
- Making the list of kingdoms massive, unwieldy and difficult to read, or
- Giving some info about each kingdom but missing out on lots more
Now, I know I'd rather have more info & flavour, as I can see you would, but surely the individual threads for each kingdom, as we have stickied in all of the domain subforums, are better suited to this, rather than one megathread? For instance, should an APAC player have to scroll down through all of the NA, & EU servers to get down to the ones that are relevant to them?
My counter-suggestion is the following;
One large thread per server domain subforum, posted after domain selection (and potentially even KoE?) listing all of the confirmed kingdoms in that server and providing the following information (not necessarily in this order):
- The tribe(s) of that kingdom
- The biome(s) of that kingdom
- The "tone" and culture of that kingdom (such as the flavour text in your OP, Yorick)
- A link to their Discord, Wiki page, recruitment thread, and official site (if applicable)
- A list of their immediate neighbours & a quick summation of the diplomatic relations with those neighbours
- A list of the domains within that kingdom, at least to the Duchy level, and a link to the recruitment page of those domains
Enacting this, we would have 2 awesome resources; one in Kaizen's original list which is simple and informative, and one that's more in-depth and specialised, providing a feel for the kingdoms as well as listing them. This second post would be more intended for an audience of players who know a lot about CoE already and who are really looking to get to know the kingdoms.
Thoughts?
That's actually a relatively streamlined system, I'd be okay with that personally. This thread was mostly just an open call for even more community engagement, not so much a direct request. However when the time comes, it would be good to update the simple list with the basic tribe info as well, since quite a few players are eyeing up a specific one until then. It'd be good to have a lot of this information easily accessible, so new players can dive as deep as they want without missing out on anything.
Posted By Sauska at 02:25 AM - Wed Oct 18 2017
Ps. Riftwood doesnt want To'Resk/Janoa
maybe some don't.
As of right now, Riftwood isn't claiming any preference on any particular tribe. The reason for this is because we don't know what will be available for us when it comes time for us to choose. It would be foolish for me to say "We are a Kingdom of [blank]" when we honestly don't know what options I'll have available.
I'm not, at this time, locking my Kingdom down to one particular tribe just to get people's hopes up, then have them disappointed we couldn't get said tribe.
I am, however, polling public opinion in the chance one of my Kingdom's top picks are available for me during land selection.
I hope that clears up any misinformation.
EDIT
At one time we had discussed the prospect of Janoa/To'Resk, though due to the constant changes we see regarding land selection, I decided against locking anything down until I know what my options are.
^^ I didnt know how to word it because I was half asleep but I was saying that we havent chosen.