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WANTED: References for ancient armour

Know a great spot to get quality information on ancient armorsmithing techniques? Are you great at finding stuff out there in the digital blizzard of information?

I stumbled across a really nice essay on Techniques of Decoration on Armor at the MET by Dirk H. Breiding - https://www.metmuseum.org/toah/hd/dect/hd_dect.htm

So the challenge - can we find "how the heck did they make that?!" essays / photoessays of similar quality for other reigons, cultures, and specifically manufacturing techniques?

And ... wow. I did not know people could make ...

Sword maker: Grip attributed to Joseph Deutschmann (German, Imst 1717–1787 Passau)


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3/30/2018 7:26:29 PM #1

Since There also looking for Materials. I'll continue to update with what i've found:

Linen From Flax Seed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFuj7sXVnIU

Hide Tanning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CVtqjur2-4

Japanese Sword Making From Ingot to Finish

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-t-oZ6X1sho

Additional Samurai Sword Making

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WkWNDDrQO4

I'll dip further into my libraries of stuff and update this post. this is what i had handy.

I added the swords because it shows how the material was processed and refined.


3/30/2018 7:51:47 PM #2

Some really nice sites out there are not English ... but still have fantastic references.

https://byzantineoplomachia.wordpress.com/category/%CE%B2%CF%85%CE%B6%CE%B1%CE%BD%CF%84%CE%B9%CE%BD%CE%AD%CF%82-%CF%80%CE%B1%CE%BD%CE%BF%CF%80%CE%BB%CE%AF%CE%B5%CF%82-byzantine-armors/

Allagatōr Kataphraktos from Thrace (of Palaiologan era)

The Dendra Panoply, around 1500BC

Note: early and simpler way to make a helmet, but would not have been as strong as a forged one.

Set of stone armor uncovered from the Chinese Terracotta Soldiers/Qin Shi Huang Di archaeological dig, 220BC. No idea if it was ceremonial or practical ...


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3/30/2018 8:24:32 PM #3

Aztec cloth armour

"Basic Aztec armor was quilted cotton of two to three thicknesses. The cotton was soaked in salt brine then hung to dry. The salt crystallized in the material, which gave it the ability to resist obsidian blades and spears. An extra layer of armor, a tunic, was worn by noble Aztec warriors. Warrior societies also wore a helmet made of hardwood, carved to represent their society or different animals like birds or coyotes. ... https://www.historyonthenet.com/aztec-warriors-weapons-and-armor/ ... no idea if correct.


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3/30/2018 8:30:05 PM #4

Mycenian Greeks apparently made helmets out of boars teeth.

3,900 year old bone armor

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/warriors-3900-year-old-suit-of-bone-armour-unearthed-in-omsk/

Woven coconut fibre ... now that I believe. Gilbert Islands.

Puffer-fish helmet anyone?


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3/30/2018 8:45:42 PM #5

Charles Ffoulkes (1912) The Armourer and his Craft. From the XIth to the XVI Century. London: Methuen & Co. Available at: https://archive.org/details/cu31924030681278

Claude Blair (1959) European Armour circa 1066 to circa 1700. New York: MacMillan. Extract available at http://livinghistory.ie/~valen/history/blair.pdf

Guy Francis Laking (1920-1922) A Record of European Arms and Armour through Seven Centuries. London: Bell & Sons. Available at: https://archive.org/search.php?query=A%20Record%20of%20European%20Arms%20and%20Armour%20through%20Seven%20Centuries

Nickolas Dupras (2012) Armourers and their Workshops The Tools and Techniques of Late Medieval Armour Production. Doctoral Thesis. Available at: http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/4376/1/Dupras%20PhD%20Thesis%20Volumes%201%20%26%202.pdf

@ Lady Grace. The Chinese armour is made to commemorate dead soldiers. It may even be made of jade, which could only be extracted and manufactured at the behest of the emperor. They are often found in graves intact or at least unlooted as it (jade) could not be sold on by the thieves despite its value.


3/30/2018 8:53:16 PM #6

It may be useful to consider that camouflage for troops is a very modern concept ...

Quilted horse armour from Sudan

"Quilted armour was made by sewing together several layers of locally woven cotton cloth. The stitches were frequently carried out in a decorative manner to give a textured pattern to the garments. In addition, sometimes pieces of coloured cloth were applied." - Textile Research Centre Leiden

https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-needles/regional-traditions/sub-saharan-africa/african-quilted-armour


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3/30/2018 9:19:02 PM #7

Posted By Agryffin at 09:45 AM - Sat Mar 31 2018

Charles Ffoulkes (1912) The Armourer and his Craft. From the XIth to the XVI Century. London: Methuen & Co. Available at: https://archive.org/details/cu31924030681278

Claude Blair (1959) European Armour circa 1066 to circa 1700. New York: MacMillan. Extract available at http://livinghistory.ie/~valen/history/blair.pdf

Guy Francis Laking (1920-1922) A Record of European Arms and Armour through Seven Centuries. London: Bell & Sons. Available at: https://archive.org/search.php?query=A%20Record%20of%20European%20Arms%20and%20Armour%20through%20Seven%20Centuries

Nickolas Dupras (2012) Armourers and their Workshops The Tools and Techniques of Late Medieval Armour Production. Doctoral Thesis. Available at: http://etheses.whiterose.ac.uk/4376/1/Dupras%20PhD%20Thesis%20Volumes%201%20%26%202.pdf

Fantastic resources!!! :) That thesis by Dupras is delicious ... Appendix C Images is a must!


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3/30/2018 9:40:20 PM #8

Following on from the discussion in Discord - where you live and how you live might make armour entirely irrelevant. Jungles and heavy forest for example make stealth and ambush tactics far more effective.

Going slightly away from combat armour, it's perhaps useful to recall things like "how to make a raincoat" have always mattered ... and weaving the right things is a great answer.

Want to know how? ...

https://teara.govt.nz/en/maori-clothing-and-adornment-kakahu-maori/page-5


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3/30/2018 10:12:14 PM #9

Here is an item that might interest some.

Usable for possible crafting Jewelry items.

Something for brainstorming Tinkerers

and potential medical treatment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery


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3/30/2018 10:12:54 PM #10

Here is an item that might interest some.

Usable for possible crafting Jewelry items.

Something for brainstorming Tinkerers

and potential medical treatment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baghdad_Battery


Governor of Fararo, In service to Duchess Hela and Duke Nimb Zephyr of The Anemoi and their TRM King Evelake Rhyne and Queen Lagertha Rhyne of Vornair. Join the Dance of Destiny because 'Winter is Coming.' Friend code: 3F53D0

3/31/2018 2:20:10 AM #11

I don't really know of the more unorthodox armor varieties, but I do know of some that were quite common in history and are often ignored in games.

The linothorax is an interesting piece of armor used by various peoples from the ancient Mediterranean, most notably the Greeks. It was supposedly made from very dense layers of linen packed together to provide protection. This is not to be underestimated as fabric-based armor was very popular well into the Renaissance later on in the form of the gambeson/aketon.

Since it was made mostly from organic material, no samples survived time. There have been some studies and attempts at reconstructing the armor, a more well known one being the Linothorax Project. There is a very informative presentation on Youtube about it, including construction and tests. Look up "Professor Gregory S Aldrete".


3/31/2018 3:39:46 AM #12

I've read quite a bit about smithing as a hobby of mine so I can give you a general breakdown.

The grip in your opening post seems to be ivory so it was likely carved. The bronze/brass however likely utilized lost wax casting. The general process for that is they would carve it to look exactly how they want in wax and then they would pack it in a box of greensand. It's important to leave a running thingy so the molten metal as somewhere to go once it's filled up the mold and it should be larger than the casting itself because metal does this funny thing when it cools down and the largest area of the metal when cooling tends to do some bad things that you wouldn't want to happen to your casting proper.

If you were interested in doing something like that yourself nowadays you'd probably want something like K-Bond oil bonded casting sand. It's great for really high detail stuff like a coin or intricate carvings. Petrobond is also a good option. If you want to try making your own greensand this thread is a good start.

Check out a book called The Hobbyist's Guide to Casting Metal by Ben Baker. Should tell you pretty much everything you need to know. Tim McCreight - The Complete Metalsmith, An Illustrated Handbook is also a good one.

It's important to note that while they would have used something like lost wax casting or greensand casting for the bronze, which was typically a cast metal, they'd have done differently for steel and that would be forged rather than cast most likely. The reason why is because steel requires much higher temperatures.

Here are some very helpful resources:

AnvilFire - Safety, read this first

iForgeIron - Overview of Metal Casting for Beginners

BladeSmithsForum

MetalAristForum

BackyardMetalCasting

BudgetCastingSupply

The Artful Bodger's Home Foundry

3/31/2018 8:24:54 AM #13

Posted By Deoch at 7:20 PM - Fri Mar 30 2018

I don't really know of the more unorthodox armor varieties, but I do know of some that were quite common in history and are often ignored in games.

The linothorax is an interesting piece of armor used by various peoples from the ancient Mediterranean, most notably the Greeks. It was supposedly made from very dense layers of linen packed together to provide protection. This is not to be underestimated as fabric-based armor was very popular well into the Renaissance later on in the form of the gambeson/aketon.

Since it was made mostly from organic material, no samples survived time. There have been some studies and attempts at reconstructing the armor, a more well known one being the Linothorax Project. There is a very informative presentation on Youtube about it, including construction and tests. Look up "Professor Gregory S Aldrete".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ERSx1o8wwk

Via the Wikipedia article on linothorax.


3/31/2018 7:49:56 PM #14

The rock reliefs in Firuzabad, Nagshe Rustam, and Taghe Bostan (Sassanid Dynasty) shows a lot of information about the armor used by the Sassanians. I also think the Taghe Bostan shows a depiction of a quiver used in the era (but not 100% sure, I would need to verify on that last bit).

Here are a couple plates at the British Museum in London showing some interesting info Plate with a king hunting

Another plate depicting a king hunting

Edit: I so wrote the British Museum in Moscow (was trying to find an image of a display at the Heritage Resume in St. Petersburg and somehow Moscow got stuck in my head =p


4/1/2018 8:40:50 PM #15

Here is a picture of 18th Dynasty Syrian Archers