I just imagine people sitting around and playing music through their mic non-stop. Or people just generally yelling obscene things. Every game that has VoIP that I've played has both of those.

Not to say it isn't funny though, but it'll be abused of course. A good idea, but I didn't vote for it.

VoIP is just risky. Like Ari said above I too have played many games in VoIP and it has been headaches of people playing their cruddy music, yelling, being racist and people just not RPing at all. I'v also played tons of games without VoIP and I'v found more often RP is better without VoIP.

In a perfect world VoIP would be amazing for any game.Now maybe I'm wrong. Maybe this game is the exception and VoIP would be awesome. But I'd still rather have some of the other stretch goals over VoIP.

Also, you already posted this exact same thing word for word.

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/General-Discussion/6117-Am-i-the-Only-one-who-Supports-VOIP

Plenty of other bits of kit that I can use to speak to the people I care to like my guild mates.

Pretty much this and also.

• You won't have immersion breaking voices. People playing characters of the opposite gender being the best example of this.

• NPCs won't interact with VOIP. It'll be pretty easy to determine between PC and NPC if it exists.

• You won't have people griefing with VOIP.

• You won't have some people at a disadvantage due to not having/not wanting to use VOIP.

I think people support VoiP, I don't see why people wouldn't like the idea of a Utopian proximity chat. I think people dislike the verbal abuse, mud slinging, shit talking mess it could easily become especially in a game where it is hard enough to survive let alone when you are being assassinated or being told your taxes are being raised. I think it would be easy enough to invite you village into a discord chat or just talk via keyboard in the game. Once we establish a solid community that we can make sure the majority of players won't abuse voice chat I think we should hold off. I could be wrong though.

I agree that VOIP would be amazing and potentially something that makes the level of immersion unlike anything we've ever played. However, I also understand the internet and the cons currently outweigh the pros. Anyone who has ever been in a public (and even some private) VOIP server can attest to these issues and until the devs can figure out a realistic way to combat these, I don't want it.

Now Natural Disasters, that's something I can get behind!

This was posted by Deoch in the other VoIP thread and thought it was definitely worth posting here too. This explains why I don't want VoIP:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eoT7rJi-UKs

I do not like the idea of a VOIP in-game, so I didn't vote for it. Perhaps if the game were focused on teamwork and was goal-oriented to the point where it required voice, I would support it. But in an RP environment, voice is distracting and immersion breaking. I was in an RP guild in ESO, and nothing would break immersion faster than someone in Teamspeak talking about what they had for lunch while the guild is trying to run an event. It was a pain in the backside, especially when I just wanted to do my own thing and RP through a zone but YapYap McSqueakervoice is talking nonstop in my ear.

First point; enough with this unrealistic ideal of immersion. If a chat roll does it for ya, there is something bizarre about what you think is "realism". We don't really have it in MMOs, its just not a real thing.

Second Point; you mean easy on top of the other super obvious ways we know an NPC from a PC? You understand this game makes us an NPC when we aren't logged in. We aren't going to be saying anything other then preprogrammed responses.

Third Point; Griefing how exactly? If you are talking abuse, open mics playing nonsense music or clips... Mute button. You have to mute or ignore the same a-holes in a chat window too. SPAM is SPAM, you can easily deal quickly with both varieties.

Fourth Point; Text Chat is the fall back. We have RP etiquette that is well established in many communities for people with no desire or ability to use VOIP. An MMO immediately creates external VOIP social bubbles regardless of who can or will join in. When the VOIP option is integrated it creates an opened end to those private bubbles and we see a marked increase in dual use VOIP (they still use a private channel but engage more with Proximity VOIP).

Having more options than less is only a good thing. I am only seeing nonsense and narrow excuses so far in all the many threads opened on the topic. If its not an option there'll be consequences... if it is an option there'll be consequences.

I would pose a question to those who seem to adamantly NOT want VOIP. What if they decide to include it, what will you do? Does it stop you from pledging?

I'm guessing you didn't already see this, but this is not nonsense nor a narrow excuse: https://youtube.com/watch?v=eoT7rJi-UKs

And to you saying "Just mute them": Once Immersion has been broken the damage is done. You can mute people only after they've made the experience less enjoyable. Muting them only stops them from making it worse.

Immersion again. uh huh.

RP immersion is different from the experience of the game as a whole. And voice does disrupt that, usually because your RL voice doesn't match your character's 'voice'. Tone, mannerisms, etc. So yes, a VOIP will disrupt immersion.

VOIP social periphery bubbles form, yes. But the members of those bubbles, by joining those social groups, are allowing those people within the group to talk to them. It's by choice. An in-game VOIP has much less control and no choice. You may say that muting people is possible, but as someone who deals with VOIP trolls every single day on one of the world's largest Ventrilo servers, they do get smart. They do find ways around it, or sly ways of trolling that are inconsistent enough to avoid the blocks, bans and silences.

As for your question, of course I would still back the project, but I would have the voice option off, always. I would never use it, just like I never use the one in World of Warcraft.

So the contents of that video is what you want for CoE? When in an area with a large number of people you want to be on mute patrol? Spending your time trying to figure out who is blasting music, yelling, blowing into their mic?

I just don't get how you see that as something CoE should have.

And if you think that this game would be any different than the contents of that video why do you think that exactly?