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4/9/2017 7:48:06 PMTo: Devs; I want to exploit the system.

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

4/9/2017 8:03:52 PM #1

KipFoE

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344 Posts
July 2016

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

Kip from Fist of the Empire

Friend code: 72EC67

4/9/2017 8:04:22 PM #2

jjffjhjf

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71 Posts
May 2016

It seems unlikely to me that the credit card company is going to allow that. People get banned from MMOs all the time.

Dovie'andi se tovya sagain.

4/9/2017 8:07:41 PM #3

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

4/9/2017 8:08:14 PM #4

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By jjffjhjf at 4:04 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

It seems unlikely to me that the credit card company is going to allow that. People get banned from MMOs all the time.

It can still happen.

4/9/2017 8:10:02 PM #5

VictoriaRachel

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July 2015

You can dispute it because they broke the terms of service, and the items they have bought were advertised as all being able give list in game.

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4/9/2017 8:12:31 PM #6

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By VictoriaRachel at 4:10 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

You can dispute it because they broke the terms of service, and the items they have bought were advertised as all being able give list in game.

What terms of service were broken? About the second part, no idea what you meant.

4/9/2017 8:21:47 PM #7

KipFoE

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344 Posts
July 2016

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Kip from Fist of the Empire

Friend code: 72EC67

4/9/2017 8:25:51 PM #8

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:21 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Why can they dispute anything?

The user bought services with the idea that they were receiving and were using said services. The user lost the priviledge to those services (purposely or not) and asked for a refund because they no longer had access to said services.

The cc company would most likely give the refund.

The point is in that the user sent the other items (even EP) over to the other account before doing... um, user has to purposely get their accounts revoked nvm...

4/9/2017 8:29:29 PM #9

Kyxsune

Member
Rank 11
676 Posts
March 2017

Considering most modern MMOs log nearly everything, I bet if they were bothered they could track the items down.

Is it worth it? $15, probably not. $500, I'd guess so. $10k, yeah they are gonna get to the bottom of it.

Either way, your proposed "plan" is kind of weak.

I expected someone proclaiming they will exploit/break the game by "hacking".

4/9/2017 8:30:21 PM #10

Blankwindow

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Rank 8
955 Posts
February 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:25 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:21 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Why can they dispute anything?

The user bought services with the idea that they were receiving and were using said services. The user lost the priviledge to those services (purposely or not) and asked for a refund because they no longer had access to said services.

The cc company would most likely give the refund.

The point is in that the user sent the other items (even EP) over to the other account before doing... um, user has to purposely get their accounts revoked nvm...

CC companies have processes that allow the companies to dispute a refund request; because of the exact type of scenario your laying out here.

of someone trying to get their money back because they were banned.

Or other similar fucktardary, where they don't deserve a refund.

Romeo and Juliet humor

4/9/2017 8:30:53 PM #11

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By Kyxsune at 4:29 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Considering most modern MMOs log nearly everything, I bet if they were bothered they could track the items down.

Is it worth it? $15, probably not. $500, I'd guess so. $10k, yeah they are gonna get to the bottom of it.

Either way, your proposed "plan" is kind of weak.

I expected someone proclaiming they will exploit/break the game by "hacking".

It may be weak, but it may be something that works. In either case it's cheating and breaking the game. No one wants that.

4/9/2017 8:30:56 PM #12

Kyxsune

Member
Rank 11
676 Posts
March 2017

Posted By Aliass at 4:25 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:21 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Why can they dispute anything?

The user bought services with the idea that they were receiving and were using said services. The user lost the priviledge to those services (purposely or not) and asked for a refund because they no longer had access to said services.

The cc company would most likely give the refund.

The point is in that the user sent the other items (even EP) over to the other account before doing... um, user has to purposely get their accounts revoked nvm...

Have you ever tried to get a refund with that logic? it doesn't work. (personal experience)

4/9/2017 8:31:58 PM #13

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By Blankwindow at 4:30 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:25 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:21 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Why can they dispute anything?

The user bought services with the idea that they were receiving and were using said services. The user lost the priviledge to those services (purposely or not) and asked for a refund because they no longer had access to said services.

The cc company would most likely give the refund.

The point is in that the user sent the other items (even EP) over to the other account before doing... um, user has to purposely get their accounts revoked nvm...

CC companies have processes that allow the companies to dispute a refund request; because of the exact type of scenario your laying out here.

What is SBS going to say to have the other user unable to do these things? I'd really like to know.

4/9/2017 8:32:46 PM #14

Aliass

Member
74 Posts
April 2017

Posted By Kyxsune at 4:30 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 4:25 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:21 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at 3:07 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By KipFoE at 4:03 PM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I see a couple of ways this can be stopped or battled: A) Dispute the return to the CC company; B) remove the gifted items from the game (i imagine there will be a log somewhere of where the items were sent)

a) How can you dispute that? b) doesn't mean you have a log of where items go from one account to the next

We a cc company receives a request for a refund, it sends a notification to the business that it is taking the funds back from. That business can dispute the return of the funds to you. There is a process you can use within the cc company or just go the legal, law suit route. b) i bet it would be tracked: who sent what to where; a quick database search could show if your account sent something; though what would trigger this search is another issue; maybe a cc dispute would trigger the search

Why can they dispute anything?

The user bought services with the idea that they were receiving and were using said services. The user lost the priviledge to those services (purposely or not) and asked for a refund because they no longer had access to said services.

The cc company would most likely give the refund.

The point is in that the user sent the other items (even EP) over to the other account before doing... um, user has to purposely get their accounts revoked nvm...

Have you ever tried to get a refund with that logic? it doesn't work. (personal experience)

Yes but without the movement of items and account things.

4/9/2017 8:32:49 PM #15

Vucar

Member
Rank 8
1551 Posts
October 2015

Posted By Aliass at

Hey Devs! I want to exploit your system.

No not me. But someone else might try it?

To keep this short. I buy King/Queen package. (Or any package with higher tier) I send my items that I got from the packages to another character. I get my access to the game revoked temporarily (say I was playing the game improperly) Go to credit card company and say "I bought this item but can't use it and want a refund" CC company gives refund. Lost account privs. Still have things from pledge package on other account amounting to over $400 or more.

You're welcome.

I don't think you're as clever as you think you are.

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