Looking at animal training being a profession, I'd think it would think it'd be in depth and detailed.
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Looking at animal training being a profession, I'd think it would think it'd be in depth and detailed.
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Posted By Sullen at
While watching the latest Q&A on Jousting for PAX I was wondering if horses needed to be trained for different tasks? I know we don't know much about Animal Taming/Training or how in depth it will be. Will training just be about becoming more stable, or faster, or better all the way around, or will specific training needed? I know that a pack horse will differ from a mount, which will differ from a Jousting horse, which will differ that a mount focused on battle. Do you think it will get that in depth or will it be just a generic improvement of your horse?
I would like to see specialised training for different types of workhorse, so if you want a horse to drive carts you would need to train the horse to work with a harness etc...
No no no no no, training horses to pull carts or joist is just a pointless thing to do. It's extra detail that isn't required, there's enough to do in this game without having to train horses for specific things. A horse is a horse is a horse as far as I'm concerned, if you attach a cart to it it can pull it. If I have to delve so deeply as to train a horse to wear a harness to pull a cart I'm gonna get fed up of this game real fast.
Posted By SoulSpark at 2:56 PM - Sat Aug 12 2017
No no no no no, training horses to pull carts or joist is just a pointless thing to do. It's extra detail that isn't required, there's enough to do in this game without having to train horses for specific things. A horse is a horse is a horse as far as I'm concerned, if you attach a cart to it it can pull it. If I have to delve so deeply as to train a horse to wear a harness to pull a cart I'm gonna get fed up of this game real fast.
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Well maybe you will, but for people that like the concept of an in depth horse breeding/training system will enjoy it.
It would just be how rewarding the action is compared to the grinding needed for it. But seeing as how horses will be a popular commodity, I'm sure people will put up with it if it is a bit grindy
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In the Q&A on Jousting, the Devs said that they plan for you and your horse to perform better together depending on how familiar you are with each other, how used to working together you are. That sounds like you'll be spending some time training your horse if you want to reach your full potential for mounted tasks.
Posted By CommonlyQuixotic at 2:35 PM - Sat Aug 12 2017
In the Q&A on Jousting, the Devs said that they plan for you and your horse to perform better together depending on how familiar you are with each other, how used to working together you are. That sounds like you'll be spending some time training your horse if you want to reach your full potential for mounted tasks.
Indeed, how you manage your horse effects what it does.
Posted By SoulSpark at 1:56 PM - Sat Aug 12 2017
No no no no no, training horses to pull carts or joist is just a pointless thing to do. It's extra detail that isn't required, there's enough to do in this game without having to train horses for specific things. A horse is a horse is a horse as far as I'm concerned, if you attach a cart to it it can pull it. If I have to delve so deeply as to train a horse to wear a harness to pull a cart I'm gonna get fed up of this game real fast.
Training of animals should be a thing, it has been mentioned many times animal training could be a thing in the game.
Teaching a horse to pull carts makes that horse more Valuable for certain roles.
Once an animal is "Tamed" it should be able to do what's needed of it. Taming should be doing things in order to make it familiar enough to you that it does what you want. I don't wanna see specific training requirements above and beyond just taming an animal.
Posted By SoulSpark at 12:08 PM - Sun Aug 13 2017
Once an animal is "Tamed" it should be able to do what's needed of it. Taming should be doing things in order to make it familiar enough to you that it does what you want. I don't wanna see specific training requirements above and beyond just taming an animal.
Do you plan on being a tamer or a breeder? I'm asking because I do. And the way you are proposing is way too simple. For those who plan on playing with different kind of animals, there is no challenge in just taming and ready to go.
Once horse is tamed, it should be able to to basic stuff, pull a cart, pull a plow, allow person to ride on it, wear armor etc. I don't see reason to over-complicate things here. If you buy a horse you shouldn't check if if can pull a cart or sing karaoke, you should expect it to do all basic things.
That said, animal training is a thing and I see several progressions of that, one is for player - if you spend a lot of time riding/training horses you should be in general better on any horse than person that uses them just to travel occasionally. A horse that is being used only in a farmstead to pull a plow shouldn't be same as one that is trained for combat. (and speaking of combat I don't see reason to train horses specifically for jousting, jousting horses are basically those who are trained for combat). And last is what people mentioned - if you spend a lot of time on specific horse you should know how to handle that specific one better over some new horse.
tl;dr - Once tamed horse should do every basic task, but with training it should do it better
If a horse for combat isn't the same one that the one used on the farm than why the horse trained for combat is able to pull a plow?
Posted By Abigor at 8/13/2017 10:44:23 AM
Once horse is tamed, it should be able to to basic stuff, pull a cart, pull a plow, allow person to ride on it, wear armor etc. I don't see reason to over-complicate things here. If you buy a horse you shouldn't check if if can pull a cart or sing karaoke, you should expect it to do all basic things.
That said, animal training is a thing and I see several progressions of that, one is for player - if you spend a lot of time riding/training horses you should be in general better on any horse than person that uses them just to travel occasionally. A horse that is being used only in a farmstead to pull a plow shouldn't be same as one that is trained for combat. (and speaking of combat I don't see reason to train horses specifically for jousting, jousting horses are basically those who are trained for combat). And last is what people mentioned - if you spend a lot of time on specific horse you should know how to handle that specific one better over some new horse.
tl;dr - Once tamed horse should do every basic task, but with training it should do it better
Driving is a skill you have to teach horses, you can't just stick a harness and rig on a horse without training it first.
i'm not sure i want to see the game start to devolve into this kind of micromanagement
whereas everything discussed is correct in r/l, at what point does emulating r/l start to make the game a chore rather than entertaining and engaging?
are we going to require cooks and chefs to have 10 different knives to prepare food, and spend time learning how to use them with a different knife for chopping vegetables, vs. filleting a fish etc?
this might be fun for somebody who is a chef in r/l and enjoys it - does it add to the overall experience for the rest of the community
at the same time i don't want to see the basic mmo solution of you have tamed a horse and it does everything
a balance might need to be achieved
Why no one objects to the combat skill tree in DJ #8 where swords, rapiers and daggers require to be learned separately, but people are in arms the moment you need to train a horse to be a combat horse vs a working horse?
A blade is a blade is a blade.
No one forces you to train your horse personally. Buy an already trained one or hire someone to train it.