UGH, these plebs dont want us eating each other, Best thing about Rust is killing someone then eating them. :D

That pledge doesn't sound familiar, check out the store page bruh

Artificer hasn't been around for a awhile now. Also cannibalism isn't a thing in Elyria.

We don't know yet about unwilling surgery. At first glance, it sounds a lot like assault with a deadly weapon. As such, most realms will probably make it illegal.

;-)

And you can't capture someone unless you have a bounty token for them~ capturing someone against their will isn't really a thing currently, you can't lock them in a room because they are only locked in the outside, never on the inside so to not lock people in but lock people out

I'm actually glad cannibalism inst a thing, but it is pretty realistic though. Sick and desperate people exist!

Welcome Nostro, good to see a new face. CoE has a discord if you're ever keen to chat to people and see images about the the game.

Good luck out there.

Posted By VioletWinterlynn at 1:26 PM - Thu Sep 27 2018

And you can't capture someone unless you have a bounty token for them~ capturing someone against their will isn't really a thing currently, you can't lock them in a room because they are only locked in the outside, never on the inside so to not lock people in but lock people out

But but that's all we need, criminals make for the best volunteers! O_O Because if you don't mind hurting others, you logically must also not mind being harmed, so volunteering by principle (hypocrisy is overruled).

Lol, seriously though, I would love offering criminals the option between being a scientific guinea pig in an experiment that may benefit the people, which may or may not result in a spirit loss, or take a guaranteed spirit loss through jail instead.

Historically this was also done, although it was often less optional. But yeah, it probably is too dark a feature for the game. But one can hope. x3

Posted By VioletWinterlynn at 04:26 AM - Thu Sep 27 2018

And you can't capture someone unless you have a bounty token for them~ capturing someone against their will isn't really a thing currently, you can't lock them in a room because they are only locked in the outside, never on the inside so to not lock people in but lock people out

But how hard would it be to get a bounty token for someone? For instance, can counts, dukes or kings pass "bills of attainder" or "declare outlawry" -- making someone a criminal just because they are who they are, rather than because of some act? That would be historical.

Even if that isn't the case, nobles could work around it by criminalizing specific things that uniquely target particular players they want to outlaw.

They have to have committed a crime as far as we know and then a bounty token is created for them. So it depends on the crime they committed. I doubt you could just outlaw them being them :P it'd have to be something to make into a law with the in game system so not sure the limits or extents that you could go with that without more information

Posted By VioletWinterlynn at 11:10 AM - Thu Sep 27 2018

They have to have committed a crime as far as we know and then a bounty token is created for them. So it depends on the crime they committed. I doubt you could just outlaw them being them :P it'd have to be something to make into a law with the in game system so not sure the limits or extents that you could go with that without more information

Historically, a king could outlaw “them being them.” That goes back to the Greek process of ostracism (ancient “voting off rhe island”). It was common enough that the US Constitution specifically prohibits the practice (Art. I, Sec 9). I think that the practice probably should be lawful, but would be used only by tyrants and with ingame PC opposition consequences.

The same term of the Constitution also prohibits “ex post facto” (after the fact) laws for the same reason. That is, to prevent the government, wanting to punish John Doe, to make it illegal to sell a rake to Jane Roe after John Doe did so. That also happened historically, and sometimes for good reason. (What do you mean it isn’t illegal to post nudes of your ex online without her consent? Well, it should be, and you should be punished for it.).

Anyway, with this game empowering players to make laws, we need to determine whether we will apply modern, premodern, or medieval standards for permissible laws. Based on the idea of the game, it is pre-Magna Carta. That means the king can do just about anything, with the only caveat being that if they do the wrong thing they might be deposed by revolution.

I don't think we should be limited to the US Constitution. There are plenty of players and kingdoms from different countries, in which things could be interpreted differently so very easily. If there are laws going to be in place, there should be lawyers, or some sort of balance. Also depending on the tribe, or type of law system, law could be absolute, or open to debate. It just depends on whos in charge, who wants what rules, and if people are willing to listen to those rules, how well the government in power can enforce those rules.

Before implementing any laws those are just some of the things that need to be looked at. That's also just scratching the surface. Laws can be put in for monetary gain, personal gain, or even alternate agendas.