Actually we can see it's hindquarters. The leftmost rabbit has it's back foot on the bison, and the bison's leg is directly below that. There may still be Bisfish out there though!
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The Canis Rabbit and the Ursaphant; two of Elyria's unique inhabits.
One is a pack hunter, the other a solitary creature, and both fearsome in their own right, vicious in a brawl.
The question is: Who would win?
Let us know your opinion!
-Miguel
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Actually we can see it's hindquarters. The leftmost rabbit has it's back foot on the bison, and the bison's leg is directly below that. There may still be Bisfish out there though!
Oh so now I feel silly, never noticed that leg before. Too distracted by the killer rabbits. Thanks Gnoll!
Haha no problem. It's much easier to see in the larger version of the picture.
Redstar, I think you're right in the size estimate of the Canis Rabbit, but the Ursaphant has been confirmed as only a little bit bigger than a grizzly bear. Bison are actually larger than Grizzly Bears, so that's a pretty good indication of the stopping power of a Canis Rabbit. "Slightly larger" than a grizzly would still only put it at about bison sized.
In fact, now that I look at the pictures again, they just might be to scale...
I would agree with those who said the sheer number of the Canis Rabbit would take down the Ursaphant with sheer numbers. If starvation and desperation was taken into effect with primal instinct taken over the C.Rabbit could be overtaken with just small misstep. Not really sure how quite these creatures are but if anything like our RL rabbit, but throw in Monty pythons rabbit. Yeah I would say the Bunny is gonna win. And because my 3 year old said so. =D
i think it's unfair to compare the full size version of the rabbit to a full size version of a bison, the bison is folded around and making it look smaller and it also looks like a youngling version of a Bison, not quite a calf but more of a young child that has been separated from the pack and picked off by the rabbits.
If the rabbits are comparable to a full size adult bison and the ursaphant is comparable to an overlarge adult grizzly bear, then the rabbits win hands down each time every time without contest.
The only thing the ursaphant has going for it is that it's got short tusks and it's weight, but thats simply negated by the speed and dexterity of a single rabbit, let alone them working together in packs.
1v1 the Ursa wins every time. 2v1 the Ursa wins every time.
I am not sure how many Canis Rabbits it would take to kill an adult Ursaphant. It takes a good number of lions to take down a cape buffalo, mainly because lions don't want to die. How many lions does it take to kill an elephant? too many, again self preservation. Why compare lions to crabbits? I have no idea, but it is impressive that 2.2 crabbits killed that bison. I just imagine that shifty little bastard delivered the fatal blow.
only if the pack is sufficiently strong i doubt just 4 would be enough where as 40 would probably kill it without losses.
id like to point out its clearly a juvenile bison note its weak hind legs and softer looking fur small horns and the way its muzzle narrows at the middle
with the speed thing dont forget that both bears and elephants can clock 40k run speeds they arnt as slow as they look but yeah bison sized pack hunters would still win with ease.
A bit late to the party, but I’ve been ruminating on this subject for a few days and I think I've finally got a theory I'm somewhat happy with and can support with research.
References I used will be included as clickable links in the text. Those taken from an actual site rather than images will be starred, **like this.
The first thing I felt was important to the animals was size. There's a big difference between rabbit-sized carnivores taking on something that's as large as an elephant, and wolf-sized carnivores trying to take down something as large as a bear. Though I've just joined the community and have yet to spend time in the IRC chat, I've scrolled through the earlier postings in this thread and made note of the *ursaphant's size.
Something I also noted was the size of the 'wabbits' in comparison to the bison that they had managed to take down, in the picture. I did a little bit of digging and came to a conclusion that the bison was not quite an adult.
The evidence of horns and the coloring of the fur dismisses the possibility that the animal is a **calf, but in the image provided by Soulbound Studios, the size of its hump and chest are not as defined as an adult's would be, where the side-profile of an adult are dissimilar to the softer, shallower curves of an adolescent.
If the bison in Elyria holds true to the ones in our world, then a full-grown bison would range between **318 to 900 kilograms in mass, and 2.1 to 3.8 meters in length -- or 700.44 to 1,982.38 pounds in mass and 6.89 to 12.47 feet in length, as converted to the Imperial system.
With these numbers and the confirmation of the predators' size, it can be inferred that the adolescent hunted in the image is likely half the size of an adult.
In the **February 8th Q&A, Caspian has confirmed that the **Canis Rabbits are the size of large wolves.
Wildlife biologist John Burch of the National Park Service says, **"Any wolf over 140 I would classify as huge". Eurasian wolves are known to be larger and bulkier than their Western European counterparts, ranging from **32 to 80 kilograms (70.5 to 176 pounds) in weight, 105–160 cm in length, and 80-85 cm in shoulder height.
One of the largest on record was killed after WWII in what was then Ukraine SSR, weighing **86 kilograms (190 pounds).
Similarly to the above, the Ursaphant was confirmed by Caspian to be large enough to be a mount or pack animal. **Gnoll and **VictoriaRachel also state that Caspian has confirmed in IRC that the animal is 'slightly larger than a grizzly bear'.
Grizzlies range from **130 to 680 kilograms (290 to 1,500 pounds) in mass, and 102 centimeters to 1.5 meters (3.35 to 4.9 feet) at the shoulder, dependent upon gender and subspecies.
To give a rough estimate of size in comparison to a person: This one's huge.
You can read the full break-down of wolves vs. bear by Hautamaki on the Reddit forums **here, and watch a little bit of the hunting strategy that wolves use, **here. I highly recommend clicking on the Reddit link.
The results of a fight between a pack of canis rabbits and a solitary ursaphant are, in reality, very dependent upon the situation and health of the combatants. Bears have much more explosive power and stamina than a wolf, but that strength doesn't mean much when the bear is fat and sluggish in preparation for hibernation or lethargic after waking from it. Though the biology of the two species in Elysia are rather unknown, the pros and cons of the mutations can be made with educated guesses.
Rabbits, too, have explosive power - though not in the sense that bears might have. Their hind legs are powerful enough to **break their backs, and can propel them to speeds up to 15 to 20 meters per second (35 to 35 miles per hour).
On the other hand, **bears can run 50 yards in 3 seconds and reach speeds of up to 64 kilometers (40 miles) per hour. Scientists at Yellowstone have recorded bears holding a **constant speed of 40 to 45 kilometers (25 to 28 miles) per hour, over a distance of 3.2 kilometers (2 miles) -- purportedly at a rolling lope.
With this information, a wolf-rabbit could, in theory, use its powerful hind legs to leap upon an ursaphant's back and rip into the herbi/omnivore's neck. However, a bear is **strong enough -- **(support) -- to rip apart a wolf with its claws; one successful swipe could grievously injure the canis rabbit, rendering the animal pretty much useless or at the very least, weakened, for the rest of the fight.
The canis rabbits appear to have a short snout, as well; it is assumed that, unless they can unhinge their jaw like a snake, the gripping power or size of their bite might fall a little short compared to their wolf brethren. In addition, the ursaphant has tusks, which will multiply its deadliness in spades during a charge in comparison to a bear's.
All in all, the results of a stand-off between a pack of Canis Rabbits and an Ursaphant will largely be dependent upon pack size and the prey's state of health.
If a, presumably, mated pair hunt together (there are only two adults pictured in the reference image, accompanied by what looks to be a pup), then theoretically, it will be extremely difficult for them to defeat an ursaphant. In larger pack sizes, however, their losses might be minimized when trying to take down the mammal by utilizing effective pack strategy to wear out the ursaphant.
Either way, the canis rabbits will have to work pretty hard to bring it down.
Caeoltoiri congratulations on winning the forums. You are super, and your post is super, and super, just super!
I wish I put that much effort into my research papers for college, haha- thank you, though!
