Games have existed with built in real life costs from the dawn of the modern MMO. Any game that charges any kind of money for play, and also features any kind of lose, has a built in real life cost. Literally the only difference we are seeing with Chronicles of Elyria is that that cost is much more transparent to the end user.

In any full loot MMO, if I am killed, I am losing game time. The time I put into getting the equipment I just lost is now lost to me. I paid for that game time. By killing me and taking my stuff, you are 'stealing' time from me.

In Chronicles of Elyria, if I am killed, I am losing game time. The time I put into getting the equipment I just lost is now lost to me. I paid for that game time. The time I would have otherwise had on the end of of my life is now lost to me. I also paid for that game time. By killing me and taking my stuff, you are 'stealing' time from me.

There is literally no difference at a macro scale.

As to being pay to win, the costs we have heard being associated with each life put the cost of playing Chronicles of Elyria rather far below that of playing any other subscription based MMO currently on the market.

$30 for a spark of life. 12 months of expected game time. 3 months of expected game time if you get killed a lot. At worst, that means $10 per month. Most subscription based MMOs are pushing for the $15 per month bracket.

Trying to spin the system as pay to win is an intrinsically flawed argument.

Read some more about the game mechanics, should start with developer journals. A "griefer" can not perma kill you, it works like this when so called "griefer" kills you first time assuming he coup de garace you (which has heavy consequences for player who does it) you will have some spirit loss and will have to spirit walk back to your body. On return to your body you will be revitalized , while your opponent will be tired from previous engagement. Lets say he kills you again and again, none of those following kills count towards the spirit loss. Even if you manage to get killed twice a day every day gaining spirit loss twice a day you will have over 4 months of game time, which is still way cheaper than current 15$ MMORPGs monthly fee.

First off, I was a little confused by your first couple paragraphs and wanted to explain some things, you don't get permadeath from dying 1 or 10 times from a player...it a lot deeper than that. Depending on your fame, you receive a certain amount of spirit loss when coup de graced (which is specific to players or extremely evil players). As someone with no fame, if you get Coup De Graced every SINGLE day you will still be playing for about 3.75 months- that's a little under $10 per month ($5 less than a WoW or FF14 sub). Secondly there is full loot if you coup de grace someone, looting is as follows: knocking someone out lets you quickloot someone (money or anything they had in their hands), coup de gracing someone allows you to take their sword, scabbard, anything on their belt, any jewelry, and rummage through their bag that would hold all of their possessions.

Unfortunately we just don't have a good idea of what all will happen until the game is played, but the devs do know that trolls exist and have already talked about several options (I highly suggest reading the Weight and Measure of a Lifetime Dev Journal) including the option where the player only incurs spirit lost on their first death every 2.5 hours - so if you die once and are getting camped you don't get penalized anymore for an Elyrian day, however the person grieving you gets penalized every single time and if caught after having gone on a mass killing/griefing spree they could be the ones that are SOL. Especially at the beginning of the game, I just don't see people venturing out of towns- it's not going to have traditional questing so unless you want to explore (which is super dangerous on its own), find players/things to kill, or try to find a new town then I see most players staying in or close to town. At the moment, my view of the Elyrian wilds is like old school Runescape wild - you enter knowing that there could be people looking to kill you, plain and simple, but there's also great reward in that risk like ancient ruins with unknown secrets, rare herbs you need for your potions, or even an unguarded merchant risking it all to travel to the next town. You can't just go out and get these things without accepting the risk that comes along with it - if there's one thing this game focuses on is that Risk = Reward, high risk high reward.

Lastly, I believe there will be different rule sets regarding spirit loss and largescale PvP.

>1) Game Crash. 2) Exploit or abuse of a game mechanic. 3) Downtime (Loss of X) 4) Griefing a new player before they have learned the game.

^ These are the obvious ones, you can then go into the grey areas of ganking, spawn killing, farming off low levels etc.

But those issues exist in other games with full loot PvP, and they do just fine.

If I crash while playing Albion Online and someone finds me before the server detects a DC, then they can kill me and take all my stuff. I have now lost game time because of a DC.

If I am killed by someone exploiting game mechanics in Albion Online then I have now lost game time because of an exploit.

Again, there is literally no difference in how the game time mechanics work other than the fact that you can lose game time while having no equipment in your inventory, something which is itself offset by the limit on how much game time you can lose an hour.

The fictional goods that you lose in any other game have an associated cost attached to them. The time sunk into getting those goods directly corresponds to the real money value of those goods. In any other full loot MMO, when you kill someone, you are costing that person a very real amount of real life money.

Now, I will agree with you that Chronicles of Elyria is far more transparent about this fact. It is far easier to see that when I get killed in Chronicles of Elyria I am losing money. But just because it is easier to see here doesn't mean that it hasn't been happening in plenty of other games with reasonably healthy communities for years.

There will be some players who are so put out by the fact that they can't hide behind a false shield of "It's only game items, it doesn't really cost me anything". OK? There will also be some players who don't like the game is full loot. Should we remove full loot to try and target that audience as well?

And can I see the taunts? Sure. I'll probably be using them from time to time. Thankfully words over the internet are just that. Words. They can't hurt me unless I let them. So... yeah, I don't see the issue of giving people one more thing to taunt people with. It isn't as if removing the game time cost would remove taunting. I would just taunt you with the fact that I killed you and took your stuff, instead of killed you and took your game time.

Personally I think it is a great Idea to put value on a life it makes it more personal and when People take this personally they will go to greater extents to protect that life. Imagine solders going to war to protect the investments of others risking their own investment in the process. It would force them to take the battle more seriously and to put more effort into the battle plan and in their attempt to win. Not to mention the pressure that would be placed on the leaders of said army to properly guide the army to victory the loyalty of the men will depend highly on the leadership skills of that person.

You seem to be under the assumption that every death is permanent. This isn't the case. A vast majority of deaths won't be permanent deaths. Being killed every day would give you about 3 months of play time. There are also mechanics in the game prevent corpse camping and griefing, like death toll caps and the fact that you don't respawn directly into your dead body.

Game crashes and exploits are a different monster all together. If it's an exploit, report it and it'll get handled. If it was a game crash, report it and if it's verifiable it'll get handled. DCs are almost always user side, so that's not something that can really be helped. Although, even getting DC'd you're not likely going to get permakilled.

No, you raise a point, and that is the perfectly valid backlash of players worrying about losing quantifiable currency. The only /real/ response you need right now, is that (as it stands, and I'm sure will be further addressed during balance testing) it won't be as much as you fear. The system is in place, among other reasons, to discourage griefing. A griefer will, in almost all instances, lose significantly more than their victim, while the victim's losses will, for the most part, be negligible in comparison.

I don't think you'll be paying monthly, as I don't believe that's an option. It'll be quite hard to permadie every three months, not impossible mind you just difficult.

The developers have put in measures to help prevent or mitigate griefing, and they've done so in a way that should work great.

So I'm curious Piersdrach, in relating what is said in that DJ to what has been said by posters in this thread, what exactly has been spun? Or is this just you shitposting some more?