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12/6/2019 9:17:15 AMSelene player control situation

markof

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Now that DSS is over and while we are waiting for SoE to start, i was wondering what was the actual control players have on our continent.

As all of us you might have heard some nobles or factions with aggressive or expansionist positioning and questioned if there was actual mechanical game system truth behind it or if it was empty bragging or delusion.....

I hope this thread will give some keys to answer that question.

Favor Casus Belli:

CB on King title:

Type 1 : 66% of dukes in the kingdom support the CB -> 8 duchies worth of support (16 for double kingdom)
Type 2 : 51% of kings support the CB -> 4 kingdoms worth of support

CB on Duke title:

Type 1 : 66% of counts in the duchy support the CB -> 16 counties worth of support (32 for double duchy)
Type 2 : 51% of dukes in the kingdom support the CB -> 7 duchies worth of support (14 for double kingdom)
Type 3 : 25% of dukes in the kingdom and the king support the CB -> 3 duchies worth of support (6 for double kingdom)

CB on Count title:

Type 1 : 66% of mayors in the county support the CB -> depends on the county's number of settlement
Type 2 : 51% of the counts in the duchy support the CB -> 13 counties worth of support ( 26 for double duchy)
Type 3 : 25% of counts in the duchy and the duke support the CB -> 6 counties worth of support (12 for double duchy)

As it is player control that i expect to weight, only PC nobles and aristocrats are taken into account to check if a type of CB is available. In order to ease the process and because we do not have a clear answer on the subject, i also decided, in order to validate the type 1 County CB, to use all aristocrats no matter what the size of the settlement they selected.

So, if a Type of CB is listed as available it means that PC can manage, without the need to rely on NPC, to obtain a CB against that title. The types of CB not listed means that to get those, PC will need to gather support from NPC. We do not know yet what it will involve or how difficult or how long it will take to gather that support but knowing SBS we can assume that it wont be easy or fast and will definitely require in game actions from the characters involved.

Selene actual situation:

If i was to venture into analyzing those data i'd say that, while we have to keep in mind that things will probably change quite a bit with SoE, right now, the actual control players have over the Selene political field is "limited".

locally, in the duchies where there is a rather large number of players have settled, the nobles have some measure of control.
Al'Khezam and Demalion are the kingdoms that have the largest control of themselves.
Tryggr which has numbers large enough, concentrated those numbers into 4 duchies, increasing the control players have over them, but decreasing the general control on the kingdom.
Arkadia and Nirath are largely not under player control, Nirath especially is nearly totally NPC controlled while with similar numbers, Arkadia managed to concentrated them into its eastern duchies increasing its grip on those but "abandoning" in the process all of its western half.

So, from what we can see , for now, Selene is quite sheltered from player aggressive politics not involving serious NPC interactions and ingame involvement, meaning most of the discourse we can see over discord about expansion, conflict or cross-border affiliations is mostly bragging or delusion.

But lets keep in mind that one of the most important point in this analysis is, "for now", both SoE and upgraded knowledge on Casus Belli can and will most likely modify the situation of Selene.

12/6/2019 9:17:27 AM #1

markof

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Rank 12
1519 Posts
July 2015

Arkadia

Character population : 64769
Player duchies : 50%
Player counties : 21.53%
Player settlements : 9.65%
Player population : 0.14%
Type of CB available against the King : [2]

Wirtenberg (PC)

Character population : 6412
4 PC counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
10 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Sunala (NPC)

Character population : 5511
0 PC counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
1 PC settlement (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Crowheights (NPC)

Character population : 4488
1 PC county
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
2 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Kaleria (PC)

Character population : 5031
1 PC county, worth 2 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
1 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Darkland (NPC)

Character population : 4887
0 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
0 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Ash Shoal (NPC)

Character population : 4411
1 PC county
2 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (2 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Deeprest (NPC)

Character population : 3531
3 PC counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
5 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Salernum (PC) double duchy

Character population : 13566
9 PC counties, worth 19 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
26 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]* {Salernum is the King's duchy and as Type 3 duchy CB requires King's support, it is illogical that the King would support a CB against his own title}

South Reach (NPC)

Character population : 4419
3 PC counties, worth 4 counties
2 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlements (2 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Wolfsden (PC)

Character population : 6556
2 PC counties, worth 8 counties
1 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
6 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Emerald Bay (PC)

Character population : 5955
10 PC counties, worth 20 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
27 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Sevannon County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,3] {numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a penta or hexa county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

12/6/2019 9:17:40 AM #2

markof

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Nirath

Character population : 81256
Player duchies : 33.33%
Player counties : 19.79%
Player settlements : 3.16%
Player population : 0.1%
Type of CB available against the King : [2]

Ashen (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 10988
3 PC counties, worth 6 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Eastfall (NPC)

Character population : 3929
0 PC counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Saltbreak (NPC)

Character population : 5157
2 PC counties, worth 7 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
5 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Burntwater (NPC)

Character population : 3155
1 PC county, worth 2 counties
2 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
5 PC settlements (2 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

The Dewfall (NPC)

Character population : 4766
0 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
0 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

New Toadmarsh (NPC)

Character population : 5783
1 PC county, worth 4 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
4 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Seastone (NPC)

Character population : 9417
4 PC counties, worth 9 counties
3 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
12 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Skuldheim (PC)

Character population : 10740
5 PC counties, worth 10 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
10 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

The Sage (NPC)

Character population : 9697
3 PC counties, worth 4 counties
5 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
16 PC settlements (11 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Meadowfire (NPC)

Character population : 9112
2 PC counties, worth 3 counties
5 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlements (5 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

Lyrhia (PC)

Character population : 8511
5 PC counties, worth 12 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
15 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]

12/6/2019 9:17:55 AM #3

markof

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July 2015

Al'Khezam

Character population : 72856
Player duchies : 91.67%
Player counties : 36.46%
Player settlements : 16.71%
Player population : 0.24%
Type of CB available against the King : [1,2]

Falzame (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 9566
7 PC counties, worth 8 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
15 PC settlements (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Draigh's Falzame (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 10002
4 PC counties, worth 9 counties
2 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
11 PC settlements (2 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2]* {Draigh's Falzame is the King's duchy and as Type 3 duchy CB requires King's support, it is illogical that the King would support a CB against his own title}

Asébia (PC)

Character population : 4141
3 PC counties, worth 5 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
4 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Silvermoor (NPC)

Character population : 5506
3 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
4 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Feann (PC)

Character population : 5169
6 PC counties
6 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
18 PC settlements (7 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,3] {Type 1 is available in Blackblight grove and Caprise County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Tyr Nansur (PC)

Character population : 7649
8 PC counties, worth 11 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
29 PC settlements (6 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Iyandolin (PC)

Character population : 5484
9 PC counties, worth 17 counties
0 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
17 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Whitelast grove County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,2,3]{numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a double or larger county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

Munzo (PC)

Character population : 6607
4 PC counties
3 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
8 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Lemuria (PC)

Character population : 8003
9 PC counties, worth 18 counties
0 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
33 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Tarsis County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,2,3]{numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a triple or larger county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

Anor (PC)

Character population : 10728
14 PC counties, worth 24 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
39 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Bleak Ark County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1,2,3]

12/6/2019 9:18:08 AM #4

markof

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Rank 12
1519 Posts
July 2015

Tryggr

Character population : 64913
Player duchies : 33.33%
Player counties : 31.6%
Player settlements : 14.83%
Player population : 0.22%
Type of CB available against the King : [2]

Skyslope (NPC)

Character population : 6189
1 PC county
2 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
4 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Crossland (NPC)

Character population : 7019
3 PC counties, worth 5 counties
3 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlement (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Windflat (NPC)

Character population : 3756
2 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Darkmoon Vale (NPC)

Character population : 6817
3 PC county, worth 4 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
8 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Miststrand (NPC)

Character population : 3840
0 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
0 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Valor Heights (NPC)

Character population : 3907
6 PC counties, worth 7 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
12 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Whiteraven Rock (NPC)

Character population : 5382
2 PC counties
5 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlements (5 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Featherdale (NPC)

Character population : 3951
3 PC counties, worth 4 counties
2 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
6 PC settlements (2 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Turadh (PC)

Character population : 5685
10 PC counties, worth 13 counties
6 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
26 PC settlements (7 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Accalia County}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [3]

Myrkland (PC)

Character population : 8554
8 PC counties, worth 18 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
26 PC settlements (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [2,3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [-]*{numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a triple or larger county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title, also Myrkland is the King's duchy and as Type 3 duchy CB requires King's support, it is illogical that the King would support a CB against his own title}

Kvasir (PC)

Character population : 4831
12 PC counties, worth 16 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
18 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [2,3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,3] {numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a double or larger county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

Avaland (PC)

Character population : 7978
11 PC counties, worth 19 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
28 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [2,3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,3] {numbers allow a type 1 CB, but i suspect the Duke's county to be a multiple one, if it is a triple or larger county, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

12/6/2019 9:18:21 AM #5

markof

Member
Rank 12
1519 Posts
July 2015

Demalion

Character population : 100277
Player duchies : 66.67%
Player counties : 33.16%
Player settlements : 18.48%
Player population : 0.3%
Type of CB available against the King : [-]* {numbers allow a type 1 CB, but the king's duchy is a double duchy, the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the King to support a CB against his own title, as for the type 2, since Demalion is a double Kingdom there are not enough PC Kings left for that CB}

Kaga (PC)

Character population : 5091
11 PC counties, worth 16 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
33 PC settlements (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in The Mistwater, West Klingenhain and Klingenhain counties}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1*,2,3] {numbers allow a type 1 CB, but the type 1 wont be available as it is illogical for the Duke to support a CB against his own title}

Silverbow Vale (NPC)

Character population : 4182
3 PC counties, worth 6 counties
4 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
13 PC settlement (5 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Prudentia (PC)

Character population : 4137
2 PC counties, worth 3 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

East Valor (NPC)

Character population : 5014
7 PC county, worth 9 counties
5 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
19 PC settlements (5 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Eastale (NPC)

Character population : 4839
5 PC counties, worth 11 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
11 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Achlis (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 8709
7 PC counties, worth 10 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
11 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Blackvale (NPC)

Character population : 2101
0 PC counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
0 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Krytan (PC)

Character population : 3615
5 PC counties, worth 9 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
10 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Westmist (NPC)

Character population : 3106
8 PC counties, worth 13 counties
4 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
25 PC settlements (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2] {Type 1 is available in Gladal and Lower Gladal counties}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Ljon (PC)

Character population : 5192
15 PC counties, worth 22 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
43 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Thraxir county}
Type of CB available against the Duke : [1,2,3]

Forestanchor (NPC)

Character population : 2278
1 PC county
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Stormharvest Bridge (NPC)

Character population : 2198
0 PC counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
1 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Lanegg (PC)

Character population : 3141
3 PC counties
4 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
7 PC settlement (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Stormhollow (PC)

Character population : 3359
3 PC counties, worth 5 counties
0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
5 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Dugh Kaldur (PC)

Character population : 3320
2 PC county
1 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
3 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Azkhar (PC)

Character population : 4425
9 PC counties, worth 15 counties
0 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
20 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [2,3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Redshore (NPC)

Character population : 5060
5 PC counties, worth 10 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
15 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Sarnur (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 7031
5 PC counties, worth 9 counties
3 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
14 PC settlements (3 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [-]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

Aerilon (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 12623
10 PC counties, worth 23 counties
1 NPC county with presence of PC aristocrat
23 PC settlements (1 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2]* {Aerilon is the King's duchy and as Type 3 duchy CB requires King's support, it is illogical that the King would support a CB against his own title}

Dae Erath (PC) double Duchy

Character population : 10850
17 PC counties, worth 24 counties
4 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat
37 PC settlements (4 outside of PC counties)
Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [3]
Type of CB available against the Duke : [2,3]

12/6/2019 10:54:12 AM #6

Leiywen

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February 2017

Well thought out. Wonder how these numbers will change after SoE

12/6/2019 11:11:56 AM #7

Kossuth

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November 2015

Posted By markof at 09:17 AM - Fri Dec 06 2019

Al'Khezam

Anor (PC)

Character population : 10728

14 PC counties, worth 24 counties

0 NPC counties with presence of PC aristocrat

39 PC settlements (0 outside of PC counties)

Type of CB available against a Count of the duchy : [1*,2,3] {Type 1 is available in Bleak Ark County}

Type of CB available against the Duke : [1,2,3]

Looks curious..... the problem with stats is they say very little about the reality of the situation. ;)

Count Darothar, Bleak Ark

12/6/2019 12:03:47 PM #8

markof

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July 2015

@Kossuth

Or the other way around and stats reveal the reality of the situation.....

Note, that those stats do not in any case consider people's loyalty or bounds. They only explore the mechanical possibilities. It is not because a CB is available that anyone will try to get it, nor that because it is not available no one will try and get it through interactions with NPCs.

Anor is one of the most PC populated Duchy and the only one where all counties are under PC control, so it is natural that it is one of the duchies on Selene where PC have the strongest control (understand where interactions on a political level will mainly involve PC).

The fact that to achieve enough support for a CB you'd have to interact with PC, might turn Anor one of the most stable and internally peaceful Duchy, it all depends on the players. On the opposite side of the spectrum you have duchies like Blackvale where a player attempting anything will have to interact with NPCs....

Both can be stable or chaotic, if interactions are with NPCs they will need to be driven by ingame actions and will be limited to ingame actions, if you mostly interact with players, there are some actions that will have to be taken ingame, but a fair amount of things can also happen out of game.

12/6/2019 1:00:28 PM #9

ZeroCool

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December 2016

I do wonder what the actual mechanic will be for gaining favour for the purpose of CB.

Will it be a document that you present to the noble\aristocrat requesting their literal seal of approval? Should this type of document be made impossible to fake?

Can you have multiple copies sent out to individuals or should the seals be contained on one? This would mean latter signatories would see who has already lent you support.

Can the document be sent by a proxy or messenger or should you as the one seeking CB need to do this in person? This does add logistical considerations and the rumour mill could start spinning if you are seen here and then there.

I do like the implications of you seeking CB but the contract is stolen and now you have to deal with the backlash of this knowledge getting out. As would anybody who has already pledged their loyalty to you.

Maybe you just didn't get the needed support and give up (for now) on the idea. The best course might be to burn the failed CB safeguarding the names of those who might support you in the future. Or could even the failed document have purpose for exposing those loyal\not loyal?

Questions, questions, questions! That seems to be my style, I'll sit back and let the debate commence.

Selene (Hrothi) - Demalion/Dae Erath/Ash County - Masonry, Scouting/Cartography Animal Husbandry, Agriculture Smithing, Tailoring. Light RP, Casual & PvP Welcome.

12/6/2019 1:01:05 PM #10

Magtaius

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Very well written post and highly informative, I appreciate and applaud your effort.

Friend Code: 5F99C0

12/6/2019 1:49:23 PM #11

markof

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July 2015

@ZeroCool

We do not have all the answers to your questions, but we have a few.

Yes a Casus Belli is a "physical" contract signed between the usurper and all those that support its claim.

Yes that contract can be stolen and the info on it revealed, potentially starting a chain of reactions....

But that is most of it, we do not yet know if a CB contract can be faked or tempered with or even copied, i'd say yes to all those but we so far do not have confirmation.

I would also recommend to destroy such a contract if you finally decide not to go on or if you fail to gather enough support.

One thing is for sure, signing such a document against your lord is treason, but we do not know of the impact a signature by a noble not a vassal will have on them, at least we do not know for now.

12/6/2019 3:26:37 PM #12

ZeroCool

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December 2016

I'm on the side against a CB contract being able to be faked, even by a forger of Legendary renown. It's just too important a mechanic to entertain the possibility of it being used for grief or exploits.

The same rule would apply to laws, these are implicit contracts that apply to those within the borders it references. There's no way a forger should be able to make up their own laws with a fake seal and the game engine recognise and automatically apply their effects.

I feel CB contracts should be treated the same. A simple distinction in game could be that contracts requiring only a signature can be spoofed but those requiring your seal cannot.

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12/7/2019 11:50:49 PM #13

Augustus_Aquila

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Well written post, very informative. I am curious to see how will change after Soe. I hope more players will fill up the vacant domains. I am pretty proud about my Duchy, Emerald Bay, as looks like after The Dss and I am sure this is only the beginning.

12/8/2019 4:59:21 PM #14

Aurra Sing

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May 2016

That's nice work Markof and you spend some time for that!

As far as i know e.g. one count means one vote on casus belli and it doesn't matter if that count owns a so called "double" county or even bigger, it is still one vote.

I mention that because of "x PC counties, worth y counties" i assume that you thought other wise.

12/9/2019 9:40:34 AM #15

markof

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You are absolutely right Aurra Sing, i made two assumptions to make work easier:

to check if County CB type 1 was available i used the number of aristocrats in the county no matter what type of settlement they selected
i counted the number of original domains, counties and duchies or even kingdom to check the other CBs

To my knowledge the subject of whether merged domain count only for one or for more in regard to CB attribution is still an open debate among the game design team. I have heard anything from they only count for one to they still count for how many they were and even a middle ground where merged domains would count for more than one but less than their original number depending on some ponderation formula.

it was quite a time consuming thing, so as soon as i'll get some time i'll redo all the checks using the other postulates and see how it changes things.