6 December

In-Game Name Reservation Starts Soon!

By Kaizen

World building for Chronicles of Elyria has already begun, and your opportunity to leave a lasting legacy begins with name reservation! Forge your family's lineage, recruit your friends, and connect with the community to craft your history in the game.

In January, lock in your exclusive, one-of-a-kind surname for your family and dynasty. Claim that name you've been dreaming about in preparation for building your household name. We've talked about surnames in a previous design journal, but here's a quick primer: when you reserve a surname, that surname becomes a part of the game's history. Every character is born to a family in Chronicles of Elyria, and it's possible new characters will be born into your dynasty and will inherit your surname! Once you reserve a surname, no other player can claim it; it belongs to you, and you alone!

Because surname reservation is imminent, that also means we're working on account merging. After our account merging window, account merging will no longer be offered. More information on account merging will be made available in the coming weeks.

In January, we'll gradually let people lock in their surname in influence order. Make sure you have your name ready, so when your turn arrives, you'll be good to go!

Get ready for Surname reservation by double checking you have a either a minimum pledge package of Bloodline or above, or a Surname & Coat of Arms item from our online store.

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Jessikat - 13 months ago

I have been out of the country for the last month. As a Bloodline Supporter, did I miss the name reservation or has it still not got to me yet? Thank you. :)

Sarmat - 13 months ago
@Jessikat:

Posted By Ivylena at 7:01 PM - Mon Mar 26 2018

I have been out of the country for the last month. As a Bloodline Supporter, did I miss the name reservation or has it still not got to me yet? Thank you. :)

check here

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/surname-reservation

Valmek - 1 year ago

Sorry I didn't see the FAQ, read it and helped a ton, thanks.

Valmek - 1 year ago

I'm just getting around to doing my Surname I forgot about it, is the name first or last name, usually it's last name but I don't want to accidentally secure my first name for my last. Also if it is last name how would that work with other people using same last name then since if you submit it and has availability how can someone else use the same name to be in your family?

Xeyska - 1 year ago
@Valmek:

Posted By Valmek at 12:01 PM - Tue Mar 20 2018

I'm just getting around to doing my Surname I forgot about it, is the name first or last name, usually it's last name but I don't want to accidentally secure my first name for my last. Also if it is last name how would that work with other people using same last name then since if you submit it and has availability how can someone else use the same name to be in your family?

This is for last names, Valmek.

How it works is you reserve your last name for the server you intend to play, and it will block other users from claiming it. Please note, unless you have a nobility pledge account (Count/Countess, Duke/Duchess, Monarch), it will not be reserved on all servers.

There isn't a system for allowing others to use the surname if they intend to be in the same family just yet.

Q6: How do I ensure my family members can use my surname?
A6: How this will work isn't finalized yet, but more details will be forthcoming.
Q18: Can I claim the same Surname, and be a part of an extended family?
A18: We're working out the details and will have more to share in the future. For now, claim the surname you want.
Q26: I want my friend to enter the same surname as I did so we can start out in the same family, but it won’t let us do it because I’ve already claimed it. What can we do?
A26: The reservation tool works as intended. Surname reservation does not allow you to join the same family that way. Stay tuned for more information on personas and how to become part of the same family at a later point in time.

From the Surname Reservation FAQ, for more details please check out the post.

XanderBlackwell - 1 year ago

So this was meant to be January and is now March. Considering January was promised in december and we have been told that their timeframe is very accurate in the short term and spirals out like a cone. How could they be so far out from this feature and not know...

A) If the project management cant plan 4 weeks ahead, thats worrying B) If they lied, thats worrying. (Altgough i dont see the point in it for such a random feature) C) if i get burned at the stake for pointing this out, thats worrying. (Cos crowdfunding video games means members need to have these kind of conversations or you end up in SC land. Would a publisher or investor be happy with such delays?) D) perhaps its some other reason and i have no reason to be worried.

TLDR I am worried.

Dustan - 1 year ago

Thanks for the great update Kaizen. Personally I am ready to choose my surname now and look forward to access to the name selection.

Lira - 1 year ago

Hello! I bought Governor but my Count was kind enough to offer to make me one of his sisters/give me a family code upon launch. My understanding is that his last name is also already reserved, so I don't have to do anything special.

A couple of questions:

1) Can I reserve another surname for later use, such as for an alternate character?

2) Can I reserve a surname, not use it, and give it to a friend to use if I decide not to use it?

3) Do you guys plan on 'restocking' the surname/family crest package in the store for us to purchase or gift?

Thanks in advance.

Galliad - 1 year ago

I have a question: Why should I even want to pick an ingame surname? I could, as one of the first acts of my game, get to someone who is deviant and let him create an identity for me with my surname. I now just have to use this identity instead of my own and make no secret about it.

Scheneighnay - 1 year ago
@Galliad:

Posted By Galliad at 6:22 PM - Wed Jan 24 2018

I have a question: Why should I even want to pick an ingame surname? I could, as one of the first acts of my game, get to someone who is deviant and let him create an identity for me with my surname. I now just have to use this identity instead of my own and make no secret about it.

Then you shouldn't have pledged mayor.

Poldano - 1 year ago
@Scheneighnay:

Posted By Scheneighnay at 6:02 PM - Wed Jan 24 2018

Posted By Galliad at 6:22 PM - Wed Jan 24 2018

I have a question: Why should I even want to pick an ingame surname? I could, as one of the first acts of my game, get to someone who is deviant and let him create an identity for me with my surname. I now just have to use this identity instead of my own and make no secret about it.

Then you shouldn't have pledged mayor.

I appreciate the sarcasm of the reply, but Galliad didn't pledge mayor. At best, he pledge settler. Mayor would have gotten him to rank 7.

Leonardo_Loriano - 1 year ago

The date was announced in the SoE. It should start in February.

Poldano - 1 year ago

So, I just upgraded to Bloodline because I'm buzzed about name selection. I'm a sane adult who knows all the risks, but I chose to make the bet that I will eventually enjoy the result.

In the highly unlikely event that I choose a surname or coat-of-arms that is immensely desired by someone who has been a backer longer than I have been, or who has at the time of pledge payoff put in significantly more time and money than I have, I will gladly either cede my rights to either or both, or share either or both under a mutually satisfactory arrangement, if SBS allows it.

Let's be sane about this, folks. To put it more sarcastically, if you're really worried about not getting your preferred identification signs, you probably aren't sufficiently imaginative.

Azmodeth - 1 year ago

name reservation is AFTER merging or BEFORE ?

AFAIK we will have merging first, because merging needs to happen before personas and before TFK packages are given to those who have a pledge already etc..

Am I right ?

TheEvilBassist - 1 year ago
@Azmodeth:

Posted By Azmodeth at 8:23 PM - Thu Jan 18 2018

name reservation is AFTER merging or BEFORE ?

AFAIK we will have merging first, because merging needs to happen before personas and before TFK packages are given to those who have a pledge already etc..

Am I right ?

Yes, merging will definitely happen before name reservation.

Taymuraz - 1 year ago

What are the rules/guidelines for names? Is there going to be a minimal acceptable level of RP enforced to ensure at least vaguely realistic names? What about offensive/inappropriate names?

What will be the mechanics for resolving issues regarding disputes over name rights or complaints regarding inappropriate names?

Apologies if this has already been covered.

Poldano - 1 year ago
@Taymuraz:

Posted By Gaiyamato at 02:14 AM - Wed Jan 17 2018

What are the rules/guidelines for names? Is there going to be a minimal acceptable level of RP enforced to ensure at least vaguely realistic names? What about offensive/inappropriate names?

What will be the mechanics for resolving issues regarding disputes over name rights or complaints regarding inappropriate names?

Apologies if this has already been covered.

I advise reading the entire thread to find out what answers already exist to your questions. Actually, you probably only have to read the postings from developers, which are in gray background. Much of the rest is people complaining about their expectations possibly not being met.

I don't imagine RP will be strictly enforced, especially at the government level, but I hope that there will at least be some attempt to make the names allowed be pronounceable in a language I'm at least somewhat familiar with.

Lizybeth_Eros - 1 year ago

The acceptance/denial has to be returned by the 12th, then they will actually do the work to get the packages themselves added, which I'm told will be a few days work after.

The account merging first makes sense, as that would mean less names need to be reserved.

I was hoping by end of month, but now I'm not so sure. Personally, I'd be more than happy if they just put it off until after land selection, given how many people seriously want the "right" name for the tribe they end up in.

Aliantha - 1 year ago

How do I choose my surname?

I have the proprietor package... will I get an email with a link, or how exactly do I log in to do this?

Thanks... sorry for asking such a noobish question but.... I'm noobish!

Jarri - 1 year ago
@Aliantha:

Posted By Aliantha at 6:54 PM - Tue Jan 09 2018

How do I choose my surname?

I have the proprietor package... will I get an email with a link, or how exactly do I log in to do this?

Thanks... sorry for asking such a noobish question but.... I'm noobish!

It isnt available just yet. SbS determined they need to do account merging before surname selection and before they can do account merging the FK event packages acceptance/denial needs to finish up (I believe they end on the 12th). I least that is my take on the reasoning.

Litzkrieg - 1 year ago

Looking forward to reserving my surname. With any luck, it won't become synonymous with murderers and unsavory folk....

Zakarus - 1 year ago

I'm laughing so hard with the people that are worried and complaining about what if, but how and what bullshit is this. You are going to have your surname etched into this game with a story behind it no matter what you chose instead of dribbling about senseless crap look forward knowing no honored and proud your going to be apart of this world.

ps: Or having a tainted surname a dishonor within a realm.

Lodrig - 1 year ago

Cool concept. Might I recommend that forum names (for accounts that have bought a package) get soft reserved to start off though, so anyone who is already using their preferred name can retain it regardless of where they are in the picking order?

As for the issue of racial name mix-up problem, could a person who is nobility reserve a surname for each tribe then they are covered no matter where they go (as they have to match the dominant tribe in the area), lower ranks can theoretically spawn anywhere so their reservation is just 1 name.

Kestrea - 1 year ago

I'm assuming that with the name reservation, there will be a name generator for each tribe.

Also, for those who haven't seen it... it was mentioned today that with the account merger, the reason they are doing the name reservation so soon is because the characters will become our personas on the forums. So we will no longer be people on a forum. We will be our characters. If I understand what was discussed on the Discord correctly.

KalinSora - 1 year ago

The surname selection seems like an awesome way to be able to start fleshing out the history of Elyria itself. I know so far there is a minimal backstory, but I can't wait for the weeks to come as the specific here history unfolds.

NightRevolt - 1 year ago

Oh boy, here we go !

Uhtred Ragnarson - 1 year ago

One name to rule them all!!

promise - 1 year ago

I’m so excited!

MagistrateMondra - 1 year ago

I don't understand this... how should i be able to reserve my Dynasty Name if i dont even know what tribe i will be. I don't need a name generator because nobody knows for sure what tribe will he be. (Because most player joined an follow a kingdom) .....

Matriarch - 1 year ago

One free name change would fix all the issues....

Silence Will Fall - 1 year ago

I'm a bit surprised so many people are upset because they can't know their tribe before picking up their name. I can understand of course, but there are so many different ways to pick a name... For exemple, the name I would like has always been about my in-game activity... so as they say in the street :"yall can throw any tribe at me brah" :)

Good luck to all those with a specifice name/tribe association tho.

Daemon_Redwyne - 1 year ago

I am more concerned with how myself (count) and my brother (baron/mayor) will be able to play as part of the same family. He plans to build his barony within my county, and it was commonplace for the younger sons of high ranking nobles to be given lands and titles elsewhere, such as the second son of the count (our in game father) being awarded a barony in his lands, while myself, the eldest, would inherit the county. Will this still be possible, as I know it had been said to be so in the past?

Hyde - 1 year ago

_ I really hope I get to be a Janoan in the end._

Kiljoy - 1 year ago

I can reserve a name for my legacy?!?! When would I be able to play it though?

Edited: After looking through forums I found a link with an approximated timeline, guess-amation. [ https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/21106/state-of-elyria-july-2017#post233286 ] Just as a player with interest that comes by every once in awhile, to see the FAQ release question still says 2015?

Lofi - 1 year ago

I'll get my name as soon as possible. If it doesn't fit with tribe ... shrugs ... so be it. Not my fault. I won't pay for a name-change. If you're of the opinion that character naming and immersion go hand in hand, this is not the order you do it in.

Saebelorn - 1 year ago

When the name selection is released there will be a random name generator and probably some resources to give you a concrete idea of the tribes' naming conventions. What is an issue is that players do not know what tribes they may end up committed to if they've already got a kingdom, duchy or county.

Sagan - 1 year ago

There's not enough info on tribes for this. How are we to know what name is suitable for a Janoa, Kypiq or Brudvir?

Getting a bad vibe from this, seems hurried. And only way to reserve a name is through cash... Yeah doesn't feel right. Let alone all the other contextual issues.

Gunnlang - 1 year ago
@Sagan:

Posted By Sagan at 2:49 PM - Tue Dec 12 2017

There's not enough info on tribes for this. How are we to know what name is suitable for a Janoa, Kypiq or Brudvir?

Getting a bad vibe from this, seems hurried. And only way to reserve a name is through cash... Yeah doesn't feel right. Let alone all the other contextual issues.

Though I felt the same way when I first heard about it. As others have pointed out, if you don't have a name in mind now. The chance of whatever you think of and someone taking it, is so beyond low.

Not sure where you are getting cash from, you can reserve it now fine. You need to pay if you wanna change your mind. Which is probably only put in place so people don't change it daily.

If you are like me and want a name that fits whichever tribe you end up as. Well wait, won't lose out on anything. It be cool seeing the name generator. Seeing what each tribe could look like.

jship5916 - 1 year ago

I'm upset by "influence order" being the measure by which the selection order for names is established. I backed this game on kickstarter in May of 2016. I took a risk, SBS wasn't a shadow of what it is now, and I gave it the money it needed to grow into what it is today. Someone who fronts more money than me TOMORROW would get their choice of surname before me. Way to respect the people who've been waiting for this moment for more than 1.5 years. I have quite little faith I'll get the surname I wanted.

Mandos - 1 year ago
@jship5916:

Posted By jship5916 at 2:19 PM - Mon Dec 11 2017

I'm upset by "influence order" being the measure by which the selection order for names is established. I backed this game on kickstarter in May of 2016. I took a risk, SBS wasn't a shadow of what it is now, and I gave it the money it needed to grow into what it is today. Someone who fronts more money than me TOMORROW would get their choice of surname before me. Way to respect the people who've been waiting for this moment for more than 1.5 years. I have quite little faith I'll get the surname I wanted.

Although we obviously took a plunge into the unknown with Kickstarter, people backing now are putting nearly as much faith in SBS as we did. There's not a great deal more for them to go on now than there was during KS as a lot of SBS's work has been behind the scenes, or just not revealed to us yet.

So I'm more than happy for someone who backs the game today for more than I did in KS to choose ahead of me; the risk is almost a great for them but they've provided SBS more funds than I.

Also it would be awkward for people with the first access to the game, to selecting lands and titles etc, to have to pick a surname last because they backed late. Wouldn't make much sense.

Vucar - 1 year ago
@jship5916:

Posted By jship5916 at 06:19 AM - Mon Dec 11 2017

I'm upset by "influence order" being the measure by which the selection order for names is established. I backed this game on kickstarter in May of 2016. I took a risk, SBS wasn't a shadow of what it is now, and I gave it the money it needed to grow into what it is today. Someone who fronts more money than me TOMORROW would get their choice of surname before me. Way to respect the people who've been waiting for this moment for more than 1.5 years. I have quite little faith I'll get the surname I wanted.

SBS acknowledged their appreciation for their earliest backers during kickstarter by offering them packages that became significantly more expensive or outright unavailable later on.

I've been waiting for this for over 2 years and I don't feel disrespected.

Suck it up.

Sir_Skylos - 1 year ago
@jship5916:

Posted By jship5916 at 2:19 PM - Mon Dec 11 2017

I'm upset by "influence order" being the measure by which the selection order for names is established. I backed this game on kickstarter in May of 2016. I took a risk, SBS wasn't a shadow of what it is now, and I gave it the money it needed to grow into what it is today. Someone who fronts more money than me TOMORROW would get their choice of surname before me. Way to respect the people who've been waiting for this moment for more than 1.5 years. I have quite little faith I'll get the surname I wanted.

I don't feel you should be downvoted for this view, I actually agree that the order we backed should be taken into account but since Monarchs don't pick in the order they backed the game its highly unlikely that surnames would be picked in backing order.

Thinking some more they might include those with a similar influence in backing order but I would imagine that would only count for when they were doing smaller batches, as they get further down the list I would imagine the batches would increase in size.

Tuffon - 1 year ago

What is the character limit?(I.e how many letters can a name be)

What characters are allowed ? ( any symbols ',-,/etc)

Feels like information needed in order to select a surname- guess it could be buried in other post or discord etc- but would be helpful information to include in the post about picking a name.

Gunghoe - 1 year ago
@Tuffon:

Your sir name, Bloodline and above get this. IE: Last Name. Your first name can be the same as other players.

Tuffon - 1 year ago
@Gunghoe:

.. thanks .. i know what a surname is ..

still don't know the character length ( how long can the name be??) ... still dont know if '- or / is allowed.. Can i have a space and have 2 words as a surname .. etc ..

This still feels like information that should be put on with a statement about being able to create a surname..

But on further review this naming thing is on hold till when???

Dont see that updated time frame anywhere ..

Manus_Dei - 1 year ago

I understand the frustration others are expressing over choosing a name before tribe. Don't tribes have their own unique languages? Maybe reserve the family name you want, and worry about translating later. Another option, give us a translator tool so the name is held in the 8 styles.. eg. Tailor might be Clikclok in Waerd, Kaku in Kypiq, etc.

kajoreh - 1 year ago

stupid question...how does one link to this new magic random name generator you speak of?

Saebelorn - 1 year ago
@kajoreh:

Posted By kajoreh at 04:02 AM - Mon Dec 11 2017

stupid question...how does one link to this new magic random name generator you speak of?

I don't think it's released yet, actually.

FadyGalaband - 1 year ago

Well I know that land selection will most likely not happen until AFTER the layaway packages are paid off in May 2018, since there are Counts and Dukes who have until then to pay off their packages.

So land selection isn't happening anytime soon. I understand everyone's concerns about the "horse before the cart" idea, but some people (me included) have built loose Lore for our characters despite not knowing which race we might play. I'm fairly certain of my surname despite not knowing specifics about location/race because I have an idea of the dynasty that I am looking to build.

Also I know that some issues will be run into with accounts that need to be merged, and this may be a step to make sure those merging issues start to work themselves out to make the next step easier.

Gunnlang - 1 year ago
@FadyGalaband:

Posted By FadyGalaband at 1:44 PM - Sun Dec 10 2017

Well I know that land selection will most likely not happen until AFTER the layaway packages are paid off in May 2018, since there are Counts and Dukes who have until then to pay off their packages.

Realistic I doubt domain selection will happen next year. It has to happen after alpha 1. Which that isn't going to start until mid next year. Then assuming how long that would run it.. yeah won't see it anytime soon.

Sir_Skylos - 1 year ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 05:05 AM - Sun Dec 10 2017

Posted By FadyGalaband at 1:44 PM - Sun Dec 10 2017

Well I know that land selection will most likely not happen until AFTER the layaway packages are paid off in May 2018, since there are Counts and Dukes who have until then to pay off their packages.

Realistic I doubt domain selection will happen next year. It has to happen after alpha 1. Which that isn't going to start until mid next year. Then assuming how long that would run it.. yeah won't see it anytime soon.

has to???

Gunnlang - 1 year ago
@Sir_Skylos:

Posted By DavanOrdanska at 02:01 AM - Mon Dec 11 2017

has to???

Well sure SBS could change it. That state of elyria post aside, that shows domain selection happening after alpha 1. SBS changed it around, so people could see their ping in alpha 1 before having to choose their spot.

MyrmexNamykos - 1 year ago

Finally something to do! Oh wait ... I guess this could've waited ... till after domain selection, but thanks though for your Hard Works guys!

Keep it up.

HighwayMan - 1 year ago

I like that things are moving forward. This does seem a bit backwards though. Shouldn't we be picking where we live and what tribe we belong to before name selection?

Feels like, for those of us who care about our family name matching our tribe, that we need to be a bit flexible with which county, duchy, and maybe even kingdom we start in.

Jarri - 1 year ago

I am rather happy that progress is being made and an announcement for the future has been made. However, I agree with many of the individuals that have posted within this thread. This surname announcement probably should have waited for options such as domain selection and account merging (after all aren't surnames one of those items that do not stack?) to become available.

These are my initial thoughts and they might change with more information or with the real announcement rather than this announcement that announces a future announcement.

Sullen - 1 year ago

Malais, I'm totally confused now. What was the point in organizing Kingdoms, rewarding those with followers and structure when, according to you, "SBS told you that nothing is set in stone and we want the system changed to cater to the community we were encouraged to build?" So SBS encouraged the building of communities and to some along now and say we told you not to is confusing to me. Oh Well...

And saying we are looking to change a system baffles me as well. We are just curious about the time line of name selection and why it "has" to be "now". That is not trying to change an entire system, good greif. Some of us that have organized and are part of a structured kingdom are just curious as to why now and why not later, say closer to land selection or at least KoS when we know more details. CoE is supposed to lend it self very well to RP and I would really hate to have a Dras name as a Kypia for 10 years just to meet some arbitrary date of name selection. Sure some of us can wait till later, or pay another $25 for a second surname, but merely asking "why" is not whining, trying to be special, nor it is trying to change an entire system, we are just trying to voice our opinion on the matter.

Malais - 1 year ago
@Sullen:

Posted By Sullen at 12/7/2017 3:59:32 PM

Malais, I'm totally confused now. What was the point in organizing Kingdoms, rewarding those with followers and structure when, according to you, "SBS told you that nothing is set in stone and we want the system changed to cater to the community we were encouraged to build?" So SBS encouraged the building of communities and to some along now and say we told you not to is confusing to me. Oh Well...

And saying we are looking to change a system baffles me as well. We are just curious about the time line of name selection and why it "has" to be "now". That is not trying to change an entire system, good greif. Some of us that have organized and are part of a structured kingdom are just curious as to why now and why not later, say closer to land selection or at least KoS when we know more details. CoE is supposed to lend it self very well to RP and I would really hate to have a Dras name as a Kypia for 10 years just to meet some arbitrary date of name selection. Sure some of us can wait till later, or pay another $25 for a second surname, but merely asking "why" is not whining, trying to be special, nor it is trying to change an entire system, we are just trying to voice our opinion on the matter.

Unless you made a post stating you were asking for changes my post was not directed at you mate. :). Others in the previous pages were asking for changes or for the entire name reservation to be moved till after server/tribe selection or whatnot. That is who my post was directed at.

But since you mentioned it.

CoE is supposed to lend it self very well to RP and I would really hate to have a Dras name as a Kypia for 10 years just to meet some arbitrary date of name selection.

Why would you be stuck with a Dras name as a Kypiq? Unless you are part of a kingdom that doesn’t go Dras?

The point was tried and failed to make is if you want to follow a kingdom you need to make a generic or rather non traditional name so it won’t be as out of place as your example.

If you want a certain tribe then your name can be as specific as you want since you will swap kingdoms for one that has your chosen tribe.

That is the choice folks have to make and live with. Do you want a certain tribe, or a certain kingdom.

Mesis - 1 year ago

If I recall correctly there are ways to change your surname ingame, right?

Rhaegys - 1 year ago
@Mesis:

Posted By Mesis at 11:55 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

If I recall correctly there are ways to change your surname ingame, right?

They are but these ways involve performing some kind of feat or by marriage. None of them means you can choose whatever you want.

caputmortem - 1 year ago

I'm glad to see that progress is being made, the only problem for me is that you can only reserve your surname on one server. I have chosen 2 tribes that I'd be willing to play as, but since land selection hasn't happened yet, both of those tribes might get picked by a kingdom I'd rather not join, and then I'd have to choose a different server. By then, my chosen name might be unavailable.

I wish the unique surname thing only applied to people rank 10 and above, that would give them the prestige befitting their position while maintaining the realism aspect of the game, since some surnames are bound to be more common than others. But I'm sure the devs have good reasons for doing things this way, hopefully things will work out fine & no one is left disappointed.

mystichaze - 1 year ago

I am not one to complain but I really feel like SBS is putting the cart before the horse in the case of surname reservations being done now. As others have stated we don't even know yet what server or tribe we will in. In my opinion and I never thought I would say this, it is just a cash grab to ask folks to reserve now, then pay later should their chosen surname not suit the Tribe they end up playing.

In addition, many of us received extra packages during the Kickstarter promotion that we have yet to receive. Some of those packages contain surnames, yet we are unable to gift them out to allow those players to also reserve their name.

There are so many things that should come before name reservations. Like server selection, domain selection, the implementation of account merging and bringing all the accounts up to date with the items yet to be received from SBS. Such as packages from the Kickstarter Anniversary and the Conquest Contest. Also, allowing time for lay-a-way packages to be paid off.

Just my two cents.

Maulvorn - 1 year ago
@mystichaze:

Posted By mystichaze at 09:07 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

I am not one to complain but I really feel like SBS is putting the cart before the horse in the case of surname reservations being done now. As others have stated we don't even know yet what server or tribe we will in. In my opinion and I never thought I would say this, it is just a cash grab to ask folks to reserve now, then pay later should their chosen surname not suit the Tribe they end up playing.

In addition, many of us received extra packages during the Kickstarter promotion that we have yet to receive. Some of those packages contain surnames, yet we are unable to gift them out to allow those players to also reserve their name.

There are so many things that should come before name reservations. Like server selection, domain selection, the implementation of account merging and bringing all the accounts up to date with the items yet to be received from SBS. Such as packages from the Kickstarter Anniversary and the Conquest Contest. Also, allowing time for lay-a-way packages to be paid off.

Just my two cents.

I imagine it is due to VOX coming first so they want the surname done before then.

Gunnlang - 1 year ago
@Maulvorn:

Posted By Maulvorn at 10:25 PM - Thu Dec 07 2017

I imagine it is due to VOX coming first so they want the surname done before then.

Vox has nothing to do with anything. Maybe you are thinking about KoE when things matter and don't get wiped. Which isn't until after domain selection.

rockias00 - 1 year ago

Sweet!

Serpentius - 1 year ago

Yes, if you haven't paid off your pledge package, you don't own it and therefore the system will not see you as qualified.

bartoni99 - 1 year ago

Does this only apply to people who have fully paid off their pledge packs?

What I mean by that is for example if someone like myself who has brought a pledge pack of bloodline or above but has it on layaway, will we still be able to reserve our surnames straight away or will we have to pay our pledge packs fully?

Hieronymus - 1 year ago

More tribe consternation. :S

p.s. Just a memo to the good folks at SBS, aren't you setting yourselves up for more grief by asking people to spend time thinking about and reserving a surname now only to potentially force them to change it later on depending on how tribe selection unfolds? Is this possibly a precursor to allowing tribe selection based on kingdom preferences vs availability?

Tonchek - 1 year ago

Drama lol.

I love it, don't care about tribe so i am thrilled that something is actually happening.

Eahlron_Storm - 1 year ago

I thought i read in a different journal that you could pick the same surename as someone else. Just like many people in real life have the same surename without beeing family. What happened to that??

Arieus - 1 year ago

Suggestion:

As some players have other players designed to come in as family members, such as brothers, cousins, ect. Would SBS allow the Owner of the surname to generate Family Codes to hand out to those people who want to play family members and not simply direct children of the main person? Say 2 Brothers (characters) start the game. One could give the other a Family Code and both would have the surname at creation instead of 1 being the father and 1 the child.

I would allow the Family Name Owner to generate as many Family Codes to give out as xe wanted. All of this to set up the Dynasty pre-game.

-Count Arieus The Heartwood, Ironroot County, Duchy of Bloodoak, Kingdom of Bordweall.

Sharielane - 1 year ago
@Arieus:

Posted By Arieus at 07:28 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Suggestion:

As some players have other players designed to come in as family members, such as brothers, cousins, ect. Would SBS allow the Owner of the surname to generate Family Codes to hand out to those people who want to play family members and not simply direct children of the main person? Say 2 Brothers (characters) start the game. One could give the other a Family Code and both would have the surname at creation instead of 1 being the father and 1 the child.

I would allow the Family Name Owner to generate as many Family Codes to give out as xe wanted. All of this to set up the Dynasty pre-game.

-Count Arieus The Heartwood, Ironroot County, Duchy of Bloodoak, Kingdom of Bordweall.

My initial thought to this is that there would be no need a for it since the people wishing to be part of another's family need only to wait til Expo and spark into a member of that person's family. Giving these sub-family members the same name code would be pointless because you can't go into your settlement, pick any old family residing there, give them the name code, and have them magically become related to the family of the original person's however far away. All you have done is created two separate families using the same name.

However, it is not very clear on how SBS is planning to pull off multiple settlement bound account holders wanting to come in in the same family. At best I could see people sparking in as Cousins by choosing to spawn in the branch of the family that happens to reside in their chosen settlement. But there are people who are wanting to spark in as Siblings, which would be a stretch to find two sibling residing in two different places.

Given how we have been told that we can't transplant a person from one location to the other it seems to me that it would rule out people being able to spark into for example three siblings of a ducal house, have the duke account holder stay put and then blip the other two into whatever duchy, county or mayor seat they had wanted. No matter how much Caspian had vaguely agreed to the possibility way way back during the early days before Expo spark-in mechanics had been fully ironed out by the team.If they even are now.

I say before these people planing on coming in as multi-titled families start locking in plans to use the same surname maybe we should have it clarified by the devs that such a mechanic is going to go ahead or not. Otherwise we're going to see quite a bit of wailing come Expo with people with their own duchies, counties unable to come in as their king's brother or sister as they have always planned because their chosen duchy or county just happens to not have the king's brother or sister in it.

mojomonkey - 1 year ago

So I'm comfortable with optional surname reservation taking place before tribe select - as I understand, this is not locking in a name, but simply for those with specific preferences gives some security, whilst also providing a great opportunity to test the mechanism for pick order ahead of domain select.

I also share the question posed by others - where I have other players pledged to bloodline+, does only one of us need to reserve the surname for us all to use it later?

TheEvilBassist - 1 year ago

Making choices is definitely hard, especially with a lack of information or certainty so there really is no rush for anybody to make these kinds of decisions. You really don't wanna bring yourself into a situation where you are unhappy with the choice you've made, but if that does end up happening then a paid rename does seem fair enough. I guess if anyone is worried about that I would advise to choose wisely, and if you doubt your choice and dread the thought of paying for a rename then perhaps it's just best to wait it out. The game won't go anywhere :)

Wolfguarde - 1 year ago

I feel like a lot of people are missing an important point with their feedback here: Availability of name reservation doesn't require you to reserve your name as soon as possible.

They're making the option available, not giving us a deadline. Relax, people. Those of us who are deadset on our names can choose them early, those who need the contextual filter of a tribe can wait until tribe selection. There's no rush.

For my part, I'm quite happy to see name reservation coming in. It might not be the meat of the development process, but it's something tangible that I've been waiting on for a while. One more thing to tick off the preparation list.

Malais - 1 year ago

So now people are upset they can pick their surnames...

As has been said seems simple to me. Have a name you want great use it. Not sure based on tribe why would you pick now?

Seems to me folks need to own up and accept responsibility for their choices. The live game isn’t going to hold your hand best to get used to making choices and accepting the consequences now.

Lofi - 1 year ago
@Malais:

Posted By Malais at 8:29 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Seems to me folks need to own up and accept responsibility for their choices. The live game isn’t going to hold your hand best to get used to making choices and accepting the consequences now.

What consequences? If I mess up my family name lock I can just buy my way out of a bad choice.

Malais - 1 year ago
@Lofi:

Posted By Lofi at 12:42 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Malais at 8:29 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Seems to me folks need to own up and accept responsibility for their choices. The live game isn’t going to hold your hand best to get used to making choices and accepting the consequences now.

What consequences? If I mess up my family name lock I can just buy my way out of a bad choice.

The comment was in response to those stating they need tribe information and their monarchs need to be able to lock in their tribes first.

In essence they chose to follow a monarch come hades or high water. Yet when it comes to names they want the system changed to cater to the community they’ve already made despite repeatedly being told by SBS we shouldn’t be making “set in stone” communities and back stories yet.

My point was for those folks they chose to follow a monarch and build these elaborate backstories without any concrete information. And now as we get nearer to launch things are going to change. These backstories need to adapt and change as well to roll with new developments. I’m essence accept they jumped the gun and need to revise their histories.

EDIT: @Gunnlang I thought KoE was now part of VOX?

There will be at least 1 beta version of VOX but pretty sure the final variant of VOX will establish the history of the world.

Gunnlang - 1 year ago
@Malais:

Posted By Malais at 12:26 AM - Fri Dec 08 2017

EDIT: @Gunnlang I thought KoE was now part of VOX?

There will be at least 1 beta version of VOX but pretty sure the final variant of VOX will establish the history of the world.

Last I heard, Vox doesn't translate into game. But maybe that has all changed now. Which people have to hope that isn't the case. Not just the people that choose to wait, but all those that have not paid off their layaway. If it does all happen before May next year.

Malais - 1 year ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 07:34 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Malais at 12:26 AM - Fri Dec 08 2017

EDIT: @Gunnlang I thought KoE was now part of VOX?

There will be at least 1 beta version of VOX but pretty sure the final variant of VOX will establish the history of the world.

Last I heard, Vox doesn't translate into game. But maybe that has all changed now. Which people have to hope that isn't the case. Not just the people that choose to wait, but all those that have not paid off their layaway. If it does all happen before May next year.

It’s my understanding the only part that actually affects the live version is the size of domains. AFAIK the original plan to allow county/duchy/kingdom borders to expand and contract a Little is still a go.

Everything else that happens is merely filling out the lore of the world come live. Not like people will lose much of anything other than a chance to take part in lore creation. Which to be honest I figure is little more than kingdom A went to war with kingdom B and many were killed. Perhaps creating a memorial in Kingdom A’s land along the border with a nice plaque (the POI system) or maybe explain certain ruins along the edge of the border.

Otherwise it would just be establishing your house’s name in the fabric of the world. Which I figure is why our naming day is coming sooner rather than later.

Menethas - 1 year ago

Will we be able to add nobiliary particles to our surnames ?

Simon - 1 year ago

Just so we're clear... this is the part where we get an announcement without any actual launch date or detailed information yet... so now I'm supposed to get all upset and declare how thoughtless you are and how clearly you didn't spend any time thinking about this announcement or preparing for it. Next you'll release more detailed information that negates all my concerns and proves how witty you are, and then I'll feel like an ass and swear next time I'll trust you and just wait until further information is released. I just wanted to make sure I was playing along with everyone else.

CaptainSeli - 1 year ago

One thing people can think about:

If you are looking for a Tribe Specific name, what are the chances someone is going to pick the same exact tribe name you'd pick?

So just wait until you know what tribe you will be before reserving your tribe name.

Unless you are planning to have a specific surname, its highly unlikely that someone will pick the same tribe sounding name as you. Mainly because other people who have the idea will not put together the same exact sounds as you, and if they do, that is an amazing coincidence.

So unless you plan on having a specific surname no matter your tribe, just hold off and wait until you know to pick.

Sanguinesh Eviscerator - 1 year ago

Let me start by saying this whole immersion gimmick is weak - it's a game, no matter what, and anyone who forgets it's a game has other things to worry about.

Now, I do understand how many people want their characters name to fit with the tribe they play and that is a reasonable request. The problem with opening names to be locked in now is that NO ONE knows what tribe they will actually be until they create a character and place it in the world. The influence list is gone, so even if you do know everyone's alts and what ones will be merged, you still have no idea where people stand with influence level so any "guarantee" anyone thought they had of choosing a specific tribe is gone (other than people who will specifically choose a tribe with no care at all for the people they are playing the game with). Locking in a name now guarantees that a fair amount of people will have a name that doesn't match the tribe they get, thus leaving these people disappointed and likely dumping more money on something they shouldn't have to.

There is no need to lock names until the beginning of exposition when we actually choose placement and create characters.

This is either another lack of forethought or a blatant cash grab, you decide which. Both are inexcusable.

EDIT: For those who will point out no one has to choose their name yet - no, they don't, but they will and the studio is enabling, hell helping, them to do so far before it should be an option for mistake.

Hieronymus - 1 year ago
@Sanguinesh Eviscerator:

Posted By Sanguinesh Eviscerator at 10:44 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Let me start by saying this whole immersion gimmick is weak - it's a game, no matter what, and anyone who forgets it's a game has other things to worry about.

Side note: Immersion isn't about forgetting that it's a game. It's about turning off the noise so you can really enjoy/get into the game. To put it another way, it's like asking people to turn off their cellphones during a movie. I can still watch a flick with people talking on their phones or kids buzzing around in the aisles, but it's just a whole lot less fun.

Hellmoon - 1 year ago
@Sanguinesh Eviscerator:

Posted By Sanguinesh Eviscerator at 11:44 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Now, I do understand how many people want their characters name to fit with the tribe they play and that is a reasonable request. The problem with opening names to be locked in now is that NO ONE knows what tribe they will actually be until they create a character and place it in the world. The influence list is gone, so even if you do know everyone's alts and what ones will be merged, you still have no idea where people stand with influence level so any "guarantee" anyone thought they had of choosing a specific tribe is gone (other than people who will specifically choose a tribe with no care at all for the people they are playing the game with). Locking in a name now guarantees that a fair amount of people will have a name that doesn't match the tribe they get, thus leaving these people disappointed and likely dumping more money on something they shouldn't have to.

There is no need to lock names until the beginning of exposition when we actually choose placement and create characters.

This is either another lack of forethought or a blatant cash grab, you decide which. Both are inexcusable.

EDIT: For those who will point out no one has to choose their name yet - no, they don't, but they will and the studio is enabling, hell helping, them to do so far before it should be an option for mistake.

I feel like you really can't make sweeping generalizations like that.

Some people don't know what tribe they are going to be, while others know exactly what tribe they are going to be (just maybe not what kingdom).

Surname creation is not requiring anyone to declare what their surname is immediately, if you don't know what your name is going to be and/or don't know what your tribe is going to be...then there's no harm in waiting. On the other hand, if you've built up a name for yourself as a "Forester" or something then you'd probably want to try to reserve that name. Now if the Kingdom I'm pledged to decides to go Waerd or Kypiq or something where "Forester" wouldn't really make sense, personally I'd probably choose the cheaper option to change my Kingdom choice.

Calistin - 1 year ago
@Sanguinesh Eviscerator:

Posted By Sanguinesh Eviscerator at 11:44 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Let me start by saying this whole immersion gimmick is weak - it's a game, no matter what, and anyone who forgets it's a game has other things to worry about.

Now, I do understand how many people want their characters name to fit with the tribe they play and that is a reasonable request. The problem with opening names to be locked in now is that NO ONE knows what tribe they will actually be until they create a character and place it in the world. The influence list is gone, so even if you do know everyone's alts and what ones will be merged, you still have no idea where people stand with influence level so any "guarantee" anyone thought they had of choosing a specific tribe is gone (other than people who will specifically choose a tribe with no care at all for the people they are playing the game with). Locking in a name now guarantees that a fair amount of people will have a name that doesn't match the tribe they get, thus leaving these people disappointed and likely dumping more money on something they shouldn't have to.

There is no need to lock names until the beginning of exposition when we actually choose placement and create characters.

This is either another lack of forethought or a blatant cash grab, you decide which. Both are inexcusable.

EDIT: For those who will point out no one has to choose their name yet - no, they don't, but they will and the studio is enabling, hell helping, them to do so far before it should be an option for mistake.

This so much this.

Posted By Lofi at 11:09 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

1) Pick a name.

2) Find out what tribe you are.

if the two don't match ...

3) Buy a rename.

Did I understand that correctly?

Why are we looking to create problems and feed for trolls?

Avoid all this and switch 1 and 2 around.....

Nkrumah - 1 year ago

Awesome! I would say for those worried about not knowing tribe, hold off on picking you Surname. Lucky for me i havent commited to a kingdom so this is awesome. I already know what race i want to play so im excited to reserve my unique sur name! Thanks SBS!

For me Race/Class is whats important and i have an idea of what those will be. Kingdoms, that can always be figured out later. Especially with all the Theory crafting. Everyone has grandoire ideas but lets see how they actually playt out in execution after launch. You may find, a kingdom you didnt think youd be interested in is the one that fits you best in reality. My understanding is any race can be in any region with penalties of course but they cant be that steep.

You can also pay to change the name if your that stuck on kingdom and if historical data is any indicator of cost then it should be a pretty nominal fee.

Sir_Skylos - 1 year ago

As it says you don't have to reserve your name wait for tribe selection if you want.

Loop - 1 year ago

Great news, been looking forward for this for a while now. Thanks !!

Lofi - 1 year ago

1) Pick a name.

2) Find out what tribe you are.

if the two don't match ...

3) Buy a rename.

Did I understand that correctly?

Hellmoon - 1 year ago
@Lofi:

Posted By Lofi at 11:09 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

1) Pick a name.

2) Find out what tribe you are.

if the two don't match ...

3) Buy a rename.

Did I understand that correctly?

You can also wait to pick a surname until you have more information from the domain you'll be located in. If you have already created a surname that you want (have dedicated time and effort into implementing that as your identity), I would say it would be better to lock it in regardless of selection.

This decision really asks the player to consider what has more impact to THEM in regards to their identity, their tribe/location/things that haven't been decided OR the game identity they have already built up.

Liva - 1 year ago

I just fear that my surname might be taken, especially since it's based on influence, and not about how long you've been here. So anyone with more influence than me, which know my surname can just go and take it.

Deyron - 1 year ago

So I have many of the same fears as the people here. What if we lock in our name, and it turns out that it doesn't fit our tribe.

Yes I know most people know what tribe they plan on being, however most people are more locked into what kingdom / duchy / county they are going to be in. Rather than picking the location of the tribe they want, they will pick what is available to their kingdom.

I feel like the simple solution (that isn't a money grab) if to offer a renaming token to anyone who locks in a name before land selection. This would be much more comfortable than waiting as like everyone else I would love to be able to pick my name

Cavalorn - 1 year ago

Yeah Nice

Scylurus - 1 year ago

Ok... so... yeah. When I read it this morning I wasn't exactly sure how to react. With outrage? With surprise? With joy?

Now I've had all day to think about it and to me this just seems ill-advised. Putting the cart before the horse so to speak.

First of all, the exclusive name reservation on all servers seems like overkill. To me personally this feels like a slap in the face of every prestigious long standing community member who is not a Count+. What if someone takes my name? Someone with a spare count package and a grudge? What if some count on my server or any server names their family Scylurus? (Not that that's gonna be my surname)

After all, if they just want to screw someone over, they can just reserve the name and then buy a rename after I've been locked in place with a new name. Sure I could just buy a renaming token but that just feels like extra punishment.

Wouldn't it also be false brand recognition? Taking my name?

Equally what if a King or Duke holds off on naming right now to await naming themselves to see if their name fits for their tribe or to create an Elyrian sounding name (since they are very much tribally limited) only to find that a lowly Count has taken their original dynastic name?

Next we come to the naming tokens. Now as I've understood it, CoE is about creating a world and not just a game, with all the restrictions in place, making sure the names fit, the places, making the tribes and kingdoms feel unique and special. Which is great.

Yet this decision, reserving names now without any information about tribes in a kingdom, about kingdom location, flies in the face of all that. It's not very immersive to be honest.

So what if you want immersion afterward, after domain selection? Well, you have to pay. Doesn't that fly in the face of creating a world that truly feels alive? Immersion but at a price.

We've been told in a Q&A that Soulbound Studios would be very stringent in naming, but here we are. What if someone chooses a name that doesn't fit, that the studio takes exception to? Will Soulbound Studios force them to pay for renaming?

Now some people would argue that yes, you can hold off on naming but we're talking about human nature. People will fear that their preferred surnames will be stolen, so they'll reserve them and then be 'forced' to pay when it turns out that they're playing a Waerd with a germanic/norse/roman/greek/english/french surname because the alternative is just ridiculous and non immersive.

So I personally am not a fan of this decision. I think it is premature.

However I do like the name generator and the news about account merging, so at least there's that. :D

Zunjin - 1 year ago
@Scylurus:

Posted By Scylurus at 3:31 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Next we come to the naming tokens. Now as I've understood it, CoE is about creating a world and not just a game, with all the restrictions in place, making sure the names fit, the places, making the tribes and kingdoms feel unique and special. Which is great.

Yet this decision, reserving names now without any information about tribes in a kingdom, about kingdom location, flies in the face of all that. It's not very immersive to be honest.

So what if you want immersion afterward, after domain selection? Well, you have to pay. Doesn't that fly in the face of creating a world that truly feels alive? Immersion but at a price.

We've been told in a Q&A that Soulbound Studios would be very stringent in naming, but here we are. What if someone chooses a name that doesn't fit, that the studio takes exception to? Will Soulbound Studios force them to pay for renaming?

Now some people would argue that yes, you can hold off on naming but we're talking about human nature. People will fear that they preferred surnames will be stolen, so they'll reserve them and then be 'forced' to pay when it turns out that they're playing a Waerd with a germanic/norse/roman/greek/english/french surname because the alternative is just ridiculous and non immersive.

So I personally am not a fan of this decision. I think it is premature.

However I do like the name generator and the news about account merging, so at least there's that. :D

Nailed it!

Duyo - 1 year ago

Will my IRL wife and myself be able to both reserve the same surname so we can come pre family in game?

Saebelorn - 1 year ago
@Duyo:

Posted By Duyo at 11:38 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Will my IRL wife and myself be able to both reserve the same surname so we can come pre family in game?

One of you can take the surname, and then the other person can enter that family with a child code, or even marry in on another character.

Balin_Goldberg - 1 year ago

This is great news :) !!!

switchblade - 1 year ago

Can i get an example of what a good surname would look like? and how will the surname look like in the game? will it visible to those who know me ? is it just for me? what about other lives i live ? does it follow me? can i change it in the future? sorry for all the questions

Morbis - 1 year ago
@switchblade:

Posted By switchblade at 07:49 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Can i get an example of what a good surname would look like? and how will the surname look like in the game? will it visible to those who know me ? is it just for me? what about other lives i live ? does it follow me? can i change it in the future? sorry for all the questions

Some of those questions were answered on Discord, with the responses from Caspian sitting in

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/22879/ingame-name-reservation-starts-soon?page=1#post254685

Arieus - 1 year ago

My question becomes.. lets say a group of players are planning to play together as part of a large family line.

One player reserves the surname. The other players at bloodline or above do what? Cousins, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, ect,ect... how do we all have the same surname if only 1 of us can have that family name?

MyrmexNamykos - 1 year ago
@Arieus:

That what TheEvilBassist Posted or

Your faimly Members should wait with the name till it is possible to spawn inside your Family.

TheEvilBassist - 1 year ago
@Arieus:

Posted By Arieus at 08:37 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

My question becomes.. lets say a group of players are planning to play together as part of a large family line.

One player reserves the surname. The other players at bloodline or above do what? Cousins, Aunts, Uncles, Brothers, ect,ect... how do we all have the same surname if only 1 of us can have that family name?

I suppose at first players would spawn only into your household since they described the number of child codes being determined by the number of rooms in your family's residents. So I guess siblings at first? And then you make the family larger through generations and end up with cousins etc

TheEvilBassist - 1 year ago

Another day, another milestone that brings us a little bit closer to the end goal of Elyria. Keep up the good work and I'm looking forward to locking down my family name early on - the only thing left hoping for is that I'll be able to grow out my family into a succesful and respectable kinship on my County's territory. So when somebody hears "The Laynes? Oh aye, you can find the Laynes over at etc.." a larger family for that would be preferable stuckouttongue and I also appreciate the option to re-name ourselves later on because I have only a number of tribes where my surname would fit me and others where I would rather pick something more along the lines of that culture.

DarioZ - 1 year ago

So nice to see things going on nicely :D Great work!!!

Kerzic - 1 year ago

Having the rough phonetic, phonological, and morphological rules for the tribal languages instead of just a random word generator from which people can reverse-engineer the rules, would be helpful.

I have a program I wrote that can ingest words, analyze and output the phoneme patterns, and then a secondary program to generate new words from the consonant and vowel patterns the first program finds. It could feed it thousands of randomly generated names to get a good sense of how the languages are structured but simply being told what the rules are would be easier.

Also, I recommend designing the phonemes of the language to be pronounceable to English speakers if English speakers are your primary audience. Yes, names like X'nnyvkz look exotic but exotic words can get annoying quickly if nobody can pronounce them or pronounce them the same way in voice chat.

English has a fairly broad and complex set of consonants and consonant clusters and although it's pretty sloppy with vowels (in particular, ə), English has a lot of pure vowels and diphthongs, too, which is a lot of phonetic range to work with. A lot can be done to make different sounding languages by using a more limited and constrained subset of the the phonemes used in English.

Yes, words can look exotic using consonants like the "pf" (German) (seen in one of the Elyria samples), differentiating aspirated from non-aspirated consonants (Hindi), tones (Mandarin) or tone-stress (Japanese), glottal stops (Hawai'ian), syllabic beats (Japanese), clicks (!Kung), broad & slender consonants (Gaelic), undifferentiated liquids (Japanese), bilabial fricatives (Japanese), and all sorts of other phonetic quirks exist in real languages in the real world, but the chance of an English speaker pronouncing them correctly is going to be low. And if people can't actually say and hear the sounds, does that do more harm than good?

Sharielane - 1 year ago

I don't know about Counts or other nobility per se (I'm not even sure they are even going ahead with allowing nobility be part of the same family, you'd have to find a pretty large and spread out family to be able to find representatives of it in your chosen settlement, a very long stretch if you intend to be siblings.) but I know that in general it was the first person to pick the family got to name it's dynasty, and any others who picked within that family dynasty would either rename that branch and become a cadet branch of that dynasty, or in the case of siblings having the later pickers be granted with being the progenitors of a cadet branch.

In which case I suppose with nobility selection order determines who gets to name the dynasty and who comes in as a cadet branch of that dynasty.

Gunnlang - 1 year ago

As I said in my kingdom discord. It's like having a kid, not knowing the sex. So you are left with picking some neutral name. Which is all good as well if this was a normal MMO. But in this game, having for example some Hrothi surname if I end up Neran. Would just feel and look weird.

Doesn't help my case I have no names in mind. So yay for feeling like I'm screwed. All good and well for all the RPers that have had names for months on end. tries to quickly think of something that sounds good

mickdude2 - 1 year ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 12:10 AM - Wed Dec 06 2017

As I said in my kingdom discord. It's like having a kid, not knowing the sex. So you are left with picking some neutral name. Which is all good as well if this was a normal MMO. But in this game, having for example some Hrothi surname if I end up Neran. Would just feel and look weird.

Doesn't help my case I have no names in mind. So yay for feeling like I'm screwed. All good and well for all the RPers that have had names for months on end. tries to quickly think of something that sounds good

At this stage of development, you either know what tribe you want or you don't. If you do, there will be a random name generator provided by Vye to give you a good idea of what those tribal names should sound like. If you don't care what tribe you want, the the name shouldn't matter either, should it?

If you don't have any names in mind, you still have a month left to find one. Honestly, it shouldn't be much more than an hour of thinking. And if you want to hold off until you have more information, or are more comfortable, you can- but everyone else won't wait.

Prof_Griz - 1 year ago

Keep it coming SbS!

Sainclair - 1 year ago

Why Names? Why not map selection on your much touted voxel client? Why such an odd thing first? Is there seriously so little to keep us consistently updated on that we need intermittent carrots dangled to keep us going?

Sharielane - 1 year ago
@Sainclair:

Posted By Sainclair at 1:06 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Why Names? Why not map selection on your much touted voxel client? Why such an odd thing first? Is there seriously so little to keep us consistently updated on that we need intermittent carrots dangled to keep us going?

Maybe because the server maps haven't been generated yet. They are still working on the alpha server. You know the one that's going to be wiped and replaced anew at each stage of the alpha and beta testing and is not going to be the same as the ones that we'll end up on? While they are working on that why not start to take our custom surname submissions so they can begin the long arduous process of going through and vetting Every Single One of them to ensure that it is done by the time the maps are ready and domain and settlement selection begins.

Chronic - 1 year ago
@Sainclair:

The irony is that surname reservation is 1) The first step before people could ever actually enter the game. 2) Extremely highly requested.

Alazar - 1 year ago

YEAH!

Kestrea - 1 year ago

Yippee

Morbis - 1 year ago

Caspian - Today at 1:42 AM

We felt like people who were of sufficiently high prestige deserved some degree of brand recognition. So people who are Count+, will have their surnames automatically reserved on ALL servers - even if they don't plan to use them.

People below Count will select the server they'd like to reserve the surname on as part of reservation. If you still don't know what server you plan to play on, either don't reserve, or take a best guess. And again, if you decide you don't want to be on a specific server later, buy the rename token to change your reservation from one server to another. If the name you want is still available on the other server, you can reserve it there instead.

Why did we feel ok doing this? Because the servers are more or less homogenous now. People are either planning to join a server based on the community they want to be in, or they're going to join the one that's geographically closest to them.

Darmky - 1 year ago

Good news!

Adam Burrfoot - 1 year ago

edited because I read the rest of the post. Good stuff.

Morbis - 1 year ago

Caspian - Today at 1:27 AM

  1. People don't have to pick when their window comes up. If they don't have a name they want to use, that's fine. They can wait.

  2. We'll be providing people an option to buy a rename, so if you claim one, and it turns out you don't feel like your name fits your tribe, you can always buy the rename later to make sure your get another chance.

  3. We know people want to make their names tribal in many cases, which is why Vye and I have been working on the languages for a while now, in addition to a random name generator. Behold!

Ersatz - 1 year ago
@Morbis:

Posted By Morbis at 8:35 PM - Tue Dec 05 2017

Caspian - Today at 1:27 AM

  1. People don't have to pick when their window comes up. If they don't have a name they want to use, that's fine. They can wait.

  2. We'll be providing people an option to buy a rename, so if you claim one, and it turns out you don't feel like your name fits your tribe, you can always buy the rename later to make sure your get another chance.

  3. We know people want to make their names tribal in many cases, which is why Vye and I have been working on the languages for a while now, in addition to a random name generator. Behold!

This tells me that it is not that "it has to be done now" and more "I want everyone else to wait until I'm ready".

Hieronymus - 1 year ago
@Ersatz:

Posted By Ersatz at 10:24 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

This tells me that it is not that "it has to be done now" and more "I want everyone else to wait until I'm ready".

In fairness though, SBS is doing two things simultaneously that are potentially at odds:

  1. telling us that kingdoms won't necessarily be able to select the tribe that they prefer to play

  2. telling us that the surname reservation system will come before kingdoms know the tribe they will be playing

Since surnames are linked to pledge and rank (so nobles, aristocrats, etc), and since monarchs and nobles (to varying degrees) are restricted based on tribe selection/dominance within a kingdom, there's a "putting the cart before the horse" dilemma that suddenly exists, notwithstanding SBS relaxing the tribe selection restrictions of course. If SBS lifts those restrictions, then we have no problem.

Malais - 1 year ago
@Hieronymus:

Posted By Hieronymus at 11:03 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Ersatz at 10:24 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

This tells me that it is not that "it has to be done now" and more "I want everyone else to wait until I'm ready".

In fairness though, SBS is doing two things simultaneously that are potentially at odds:

  1. telling us that kingdoms won't necessarily be able to select the tribe that they prefer to play

  2. telling us that the surname reservation system will come before kingdoms know the tribe they will be playing

Since surnames are linked to pledge and rank (so nobles, aristocrats, etc), and since monarchs and nobles (to varying degrees) are restricted based on tribe selection/dominance within a kingdom, there's a "putting the cart before the horse" dilemma that suddenly exists, notwithstanding SBS relaxing the tribe selection restrictions of course. If SBS lifts those restrictions, then we have no problem.

Except you do not have to choose now. So the dilemma doesn’t actually exist.

If you have a name you want to use regardless of tribe then use it. If you haven’t chosen one or want to wait till tribes are known and selected then wait.

Hieronymus - 1 year ago
@Malais:

Posted By Malais at 11:33 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Except you do not have to choose now. So the dilemma doesn’t actually exist.

Perhaps we don't understand the English language the same way? Relevant excerpt from the OP:

Posted By Malais at 11:33 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Once you reserve a surname, no other player can claim it; it belongs to you, and you alone!

So if you have a name in mind (along with a tribe and kingdom) and you do not reserve it then it means somebody else can. That's .... what reservation means. Does it surprise you to learn that people have picked out names? And tribes? And kingdoms?

In light of this fact, it is facetious to suggest that reservation is not required (and therefore all this complaining unnecessary) simply because reservation is optional. You're playing a game of semantics, for reasons unknown. :S

p.s. I'll say again. This is only a problem for people because as things stand now, kingdoms can't just play whatever tribe they want to play. Tribe selection is based on availability and selection order based on influence. It is entirely for this reason that the complaining is taking place. Yes, everybody can go ahead and reserve the name and hope things work out down the line. But all that does is push off the complaining until tribe selection.

Sanguinesh Eviscerator - 1 year ago
@Malais:

Posted By Malais at 12:33 PM - Thu Dec 07 2017

>

Except you do not have to choose now. So the dilemma doesn’t actually exist.

It boils down to basic human psychology (that thing someone says they have a degree in) - if you give a person an option to make a choice now or wait for more information later, and stipulate by not choosing now someone else may take what they themselves want, the person is more inclined to choose now rather than wait for further information. It is, as I said in my first post, either really horrible forethought or a devious cashgrab and neither is acceptable.

THERE IS NO NEED TO CHOOSE A NAME BEFORE WE EVEN CREATE A CHARACTER AND POPULATE THE WORLD

Loop - 1 year ago
@Sanguinesh Eviscerator:

Posted By Sanguinesh Eviscerator at 7:41 PM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Malais at 12:33 PM - Thu Dec 07 2017

>

Except you do not have to choose now. So the dilemma doesn’t actually exist.

It boils down to basic human psychology (that thing someone says they have a degree in) - if you give a person an option to make a choice now or wait for more information later, and stipulate by not choosing now someone else may take what they themselves want, the person is more inclined to choose now rather than wait for further information. It is, as I said in my first post, either really horrible forethought or a devious cashgrab and neither is acceptable.

THERE IS NO NEED TO CHOOSE A NAME BEFORE WE EVEN CREATE A CHARACTER AND POPULATE THE WORLD

A 3rd option of why they are doing this now might be as a response to some of their paying customers asking for it. Which I hope you would find to be an acceptable reason.

If we are to let only what we "need" control how this game evolves it will never be finished, since we dont really need it at all.

But many of us "wants" it. What we want and need are two different things, even though they might get mixed up some times.

CaptainSeli - 1 year ago
@Malais:

Posted By Malais at 12:33 PM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Hieronymus at 11:03 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

Posted By Ersatz at 10:24 AM - Thu Dec 07 2017

This tells me that it is not that "it has to be done now" and more "I want everyone else to wait until I'm ready".

In fairness though, SBS is doing two things simultaneously that are potentially at odds:

  1. telling us that kingdoms won't necessarily be able to select the tribe that they prefer to play

  2. telling us that the surname reservation system will come before kingdoms know the tribe they will be playing

Since surnames are linked to pledge and rank (so nobles, aristocrats, etc), and since monarchs and nobles (to varying degrees) are restricted based on tribe selection/dominance within a kingdom, there's a "putting the cart before the horse" dilemma that suddenly exists, notwithstanding SBS relaxing the tribe selection restrictions of course. If SBS lifts those restrictions, then we have no problem.

Except you do not have to choose now. So the dilemma doesn’t actually exist.

If you have a name you want to use regardless of tribe then use it. If you haven’t chosen one or want to wait till tribes are known and selected then wait.

I don't get why people are so upset about it. Like mentioned above, if you don't have a name in mind, just wait until you know your tribe and reserve then.

I don't see the issue.

Zunjin - 1 year ago
@Morbis:

A name generator for getting a feel about names sounds awesome. But how will that help us, if name selection comes before land selection and we have no clue where with what tribe we will end up?

Another question, if it wasn't already asked & answered. We know we have families, children codes and stuff. Caspian even posted at one time, as an answer to someone who wanted to start the game with players from his old MMO guild, that there would be some possibility that all those players could join one family at the start of the game / exposition.

But what about - lets say two counts - that want to start as one family by beeing a) siblings or b) spouses... would those have to choose a name each for their own, or will there - in January - already be a system to join under one family name?

MusaKn - 1 year ago

How are we supposed to pick lore friendly surnames when we don't even have any example tribe names to branch from?

I think a Waerd family named Anderson would be dumb and not fit into the Desert language...

Chronic - 1 year ago
@MusaKn:

;)

Vilucide - 1 year ago

If we choose a custom surname does it apply to our first character? Or can we choose when to use it? So maybe in a year when another tribe is discovered I'll want to make a Yoru with a translation for "Big Ice Thing" or "Do not touch the Ice Giants".

Sullen - 1 year ago

I feel it is way too early, putting the cart before the horse. How are we expected to choose a name when we have yet to nail down a tribe or kingdom or even know what general part of the map we want to play in. We are expected to pick a name even before Voxel Elyria? I feel that you are trying to rush rewards to the population in just for the sake of giving back. I would suggest you re-think the timeline of this offer and I would suggest delaying it for till at least after land selection. None of the Nobles actually know what tribe or biome they will be in until the King/Queen makes a choice during land selection. So forcing a permanent name choice without any information, in my opinion, is just futile and a waste of a name. I wonder why we can't wait until after land selection to make the selection or at least at the same time, choose land then choose surname.

Dellamorte - 1 year ago
@Sullen:

Posted By Sullen at 5:05 PM - Tue Dec 05 2017

I feel it is way too early, putting the cart before the horse. How are we expected to choose a name when we have yet to nail down a tribe or kingdom or even know what general part of the map we want to play in. We are expected to pick a name even before Voxel Elyria? I feel that you are trying to rush rewards to the population in just for the sake of giving back. I would suggest you re-think the timeline of this offer and I would suggest delaying it for till at least after land selection. None of the Nobles actually know what tribe or biome they will be in until the King/Queen makes a choice during land selection. So forcing a permanent name choice without any information, in my opinion, is just futile and a waste of a name. I wonder why we can't wait until after land selection to make the selection or at least at the same time, choose land then choose surname.

Agree completely. +1

Venekor - 1 year ago

Will the merging window close before we are gifted our May bonuses?

Kaeleron - 1 year ago

How will nobility reconcile Tribal/culture and their family names without knowing which tribe we are going to be in?

Renzo - 1 year ago

But different tribes have different cultures which effects language, names etc. If names are picked before land selection does that not create a situation were people are picking names with no confirmation on which tribe they will actually be in? Surely tribe is one of the most important things to consider when picking a name that fits? Not to mention some information on the language style of each tribe for example Arabic vs English names have different structures and sounds. Or naming conventions of each tribe.

Iosef - 1 year ago

Another mile marker approaches. Very good!

Morbis - 1 year ago

Quick question, and I know you said More Info To Come, but I assume that all of the Account Merging options will be available, as described in the update/DJ we got a while back, right?

So I'll be able to do title stack transfers and merge accounts before any of the time windows close?

Medussa - 1 year ago

well i have 3 surnames pick out just in case my 1st of 2nd choices get taken so i ready (like they already did in discord)

Idioticmaddog - 1 year ago

Question.

If I have 3 accounts with Surnames, when I merge them, do I still get to reserve 3 surnames?

Edit : I mean I do have a lore for my County. It would make sense for my lore characters to have decendants.

Dazzerix - 1 year ago

So, with groups of players whom have all pledged over bloodline level. What happens if they all want to share the exact same surname? Will they need to make a unique name for reach, or are they free to all use the same name?

Wynd - 1 year ago

Wiggles nose

Sivash_Evenwood - 1 year ago

Slight confusion on my part: If one has a custom surname, does the family selected by that player adopt that surname, or does the custom surname allow the player to change their character's surname, but not their family's? Or am I completely off the mark.

whynot - 1 year ago

SWEET, that's awesome news and hopefully land selection soon thereafter? Than we Counts can build our community. (#happy holidays)

Forsakenwish - 1 year ago

Yay

Augustus_Aquila - 1 year ago

Finaly lol we all love you.

Polite - 1 year ago

Hype train pulls into its next station :)

VanHarsen - 1 year ago

Thanks.

Vucar - 1 year ago

Legit.

Reishal - 1 year ago

lol morbiss so rude xD

Maulvorn - 1 year ago

What happens if someone maliciously locks down a surname before the original owner can submit it?

Soulbrandt - 1 year ago
@Maulvorn:

Posted By Maulvorn at 6:40 PM - Tue Dec 05 2017

What happens if someone maliciously locks down a surname before the original owner can submit it?

Highlander rules then apply.

THERE CAN BE ONLY OOOOOOONE!

RedDoggybone - 1 year ago
@Soulbrandt:

Posted By Maulvorn at 6:40 PM - Tue Dec 05 2017

What happens if someone maliciously locks down a surname before the original owner can submit it?

Highlander rules then apply.

THERE CAN BE ONLY OOOOOOONE!

Warning, unless you want to see a ton of Doggybones populating my County, STAY Away from my first choice of Sir names. LOL.

Lunaus - 1 year ago
@Maulvorn:

What happened to Surnames not being unique like in the real world? And only your lineage with said Surname would be unique...

NiHZ - 1 year ago

Woo hoo!

Austin_Martin - 1 year ago

Let the fun begin!

Morbis - 1 year ago

K. Edited to include Discord things,


Caspian - Today at 1:27 AM

  1. People don't have to pick when their window comes up. If they don't have a name they want to use, that's fine. They can wait.

  2. We'll be providing people an option to buy a rename, so if you claim one, and it turns out you don't feel like your name fits your tribe, you can always buy the rename later to make sure your get another chance.

  3. We know people want to make their names tribal in many cases, which is why Vye and I have been working on the languages for a while now, in addition to a random name generator. Behold!


Caspian - Today at 1:42 AM

We felt like people who were of sufficiently high prestige deserved some degree of brand recognition. So people who are Count+, will have their surnames automatically reserved on ALL servers - even if they don't plan to use them.

People below Count will select the server they'd like to reserve the surname on as part of reservation. If you still don't know what server you plan to play on, either don't reserve, or take a best guess. And again, if you decide you don't want to be on a specific server later, buy the rename token to change your reservation from one server to another. If the name you want is still available on the other server, you can reserve it there instead.

Why did we feel ok doing this? Because the servers are more or less homogenous now. People are either planning to join a server based on the community they want to be in, or they're going to join the one that's geographically closest to them.

Azmodeth - 1 year ago
@Morbis:

Posted By Morbis at 7:38 PM - Tue Dec 05 2017

K. Edited to include Discord things,


Caspian - Today at 1:27 AM

  1. People don't have to pick when their window comes up. If they don't have a name they want to use, that's fine. They can wait.

  2. We'll be providing people an option to buy a rename, so if you claim one, and it turns out you don't feel like your name fits your tribe, you can always buy the rename later to make sure your get another chance.

  3. We know people want to make their names tribal in many cases, which is why Vye and I have been working on the languages for a while now, in addition to a random name generator. Behold!


Caspian - Today at 1:42 AM

We felt like people who were of sufficiently high prestige deserved some degree of brand recognition. So people who are Count+, will have their surnames automatically reserved on ALL servers - even if they don't plan to use them.

People below Count will select the server they'd like to reserve the surname on as part of reservation. If you still don't know what server you plan to play on, either don't reserve, or take a best guess. And again, if you decide you don't want to be on a specific server later, buy the rename token to change your reservation from one server to another. If the name you want is still available on the other server, you can reserve it there instead.

Why did we feel ok doing this? Because the servers are more or less homogenous now. People are either planning to join a server based on the community they want to be in, or they're going to join the one that's geographically closest to them.

How can we choose a surname before we know what Tribe we are going to be ?

Hieronymus - 1 year ago
@Azmodeth:

Posted By Azmodeth at 2:46 PM - Fri Dec 15 2017

How can we choose a surname before we know what Tribe we are going to be ?

Assume there are no tribal influences on names. If you do not have a specific surname in mind yet, this isn't something for you to be concerned about. :)

Xaar - 1 year ago
@Morbis:

Okay, but just to check...

Caspian - Today at 1:42 AM

We felt like people who were of sufficiently high prestige deserved some degree of brand recognition. So people who are Count+, will have their surnames automatically reserved on ALL servers - even if they don't plan to use them.

So... surnames of Counts+ have to be unique over all servers?

A uniquely-surnamed count on NA-E could go to EU and either play a character there with the same surname or allow another player in the EU to join their family.

Sharielane - 1 year ago
@Xaar:

Posted By Xaar at 6:37 PM - Wed Dec 06 2017

Okay, but just to check...

Caspian - Today at 1:42 AM

We felt like people who were of sufficiently high prestige deserved some degree of brand recognition. So people who are Count+, will have their surnames automatically reserved on ALL servers - even if they don't plan to use them.

So... surnames of Counts+ have to be unique over all servers?

A uniquely-surnamed count on NA-E could go to EU and either play a character there with the same surname or allow another player in the EU to join their family.

I think you misunderstand what the custom surname actually entails. It only allows you to customise the surname of the family your starting character tied to your pledge is born into during Exposition (or simply just the character if the Dynasty has been locked in before you). You can not use a new Soul and Spark it on another server, or even at any other time on the same server in an unrelated family, and expect to be able to have that former NPC you chose mysteriously have that name tied to him as well with no in-game context of how or why he has it, and why all his other family members that were two minutes ago named eg. Smith are now all called Jones.

The custom surname is a once only deal done during the cover of Expo to protect world continuity for those players coming in at Launch. After that you are bound to use the surname of the NPC you chose to spark into just as anyone else is. If you want to have another character with that last name then spark into a relative that has it, and take measures to ensure that your house doesn't die out and taking the name with them.

Grayshade - 1 year ago
@Morbis:

Yay, now we dont know which tribe we're in so we can't tailor our surnames to our tribe's "lore". I wanted to be Jonathan Treehugger, but what if I can't pick Kypiq. Oh woe. Glorious planning SBS, honestly.