absolutely positively agree - stop the P2W before it starts

I also do support this. They could also make it random so that ppl who spent more money will have a better percentage to get rare or even legendary stuff but ppl who spent less will also have the chance but at a slighlty lower percentage.

100% agree, thanks for posting. This has potential to get really out of hand really fast.

I indeed just finished the Town cryer eposode in question and to a extent i agree that things rare and above should not be sold on the store,

rare crops from a biome is somthing that could be found in the game if u look hard enought so i feel this is ok.

Legendary walls or temples not so much.

but i do feel the idea that some land has more value then others is correct.

so why i cant say i reacted with as much outcry as some that legendry items be for sale i do agree they should be a ingame thing not a pay to get thing.

paying to setup a town is 1 thing paying to have a Mithril Set of armor is quite another thing.

so standardise stuff to be of ether common uncommon and maybe Fine quality then leave it at that.

just dont set limits to how much land we can buy or how many tools or buildings we can buy and i think every one will be fine. specially those like adam and getto who have more EP then any one in server and well would hate them not to be able to spend it.

(Reposted from original thread)

I have to disagree with my good King on what these additional rare items represent. Let me emphasize my thesis:

Legendary items need to exist in the world, and they are better off in PC hands than NPC Hands; selling them with EP has no greater impact than selling rare noble titles.

Have some bullets:

• A flat, gray, evenly distributed world does not present inherent challenge or interest.
• NPCs are frankly no challenge at all to a half-dedicated group of players. Anything they own will be owned by the most active players in short order. Placing NPCs in important positions or holding important items doesn't solve anything.
• Technology can be stolen just like anything else. The advantage is easily surmountable. Even seeing the product of enhanced technology should be enough to get other players on the path to creating it.
• A rare item is only as effective as the player wielding it. Just because a player buys up a pile of rare trinkets and epic walls doesn't mean they'll be able to keep either.
• The cost of these legendary items is immense. That is a true hurdle that ensures these items stay rare.
• People have to weigh two costs to participate in this game, either an opportunity cost via time spent playing or a financial cost via dollars spent seeding the world.
• On one hand, the $$ route leads to quick advancement for a very limited window. On the other hand, time in game will inevitably overcome any early established advantage precisely because the world is not an even gradient. Opportunity will be widely spread and come at a variety of risks and rewards.
• All of this leads to more enriching gameplay over time, not less.
• Look at all the highly visible wealthy backers. There are a handful of them. Everyone knows who they are and where they live.
• Now look at all the potential players, hungry to gain fame and fortune. Thousands upon thousands of them.
• Look back at those highly visible wealthy backers, again. Look tasty, don't they?

Bon appétit!

I agree with this to, the fact you want a pre-built game that felt to the players joining like it has been their for hundreds of years is one thing.

But buying magical object, legendary buildings and such feel unfair. Apart from the fact it gives an advantage to those with important financial meanings it also remove a big part of the game. The interest of many lies in the feeling of accomplishment for being the first to craft an object, to build a legendary monument, to be the first adventurer to find a magical sword in the wild, the first tamer to bring back a Griffon...

I understand that maybe some people bought way to much EPs and to balance it off, selling objects at crazy rates, could have seemed the only solution to get rid of some ridiculous EP amounts. Because you still want people with the basic pledge to be able to buy what they need and not highly increase the general prices.

I don't say I have in mind an elegant solution but I'm sure that one could be found.

Posted By Adam Burrfoot at 1:43 PM - Mon May 15 2017

Personally, my suggestion to the community and studio, in the best interests of the game, is to remove any plans / ideas to offer higher quality / rarity items from your EP store pipeline. Those items should be gotten through player skill and work in game, not through how big my wallet is. Leave only things in the EP store that are build able / acquirable within the first month of the game. If I as someone who has spent nothing on EP in the game cant build or start building one of these buildings / items / gather x y z that is available on the store within the first month of launch then you are giving to much of an advantage to that wallet.

100% agree. I still would like for siege gear to be removed or restricted in some way too.

@Bombastus

i have no issues with players taking a legendary item off a NPC that is infact reward for there adventuring. they had to track down the npc that had it and kill them to get it after all.

asking to reduce the store to below rare level is a reasonable compromise considering the community sentiment.

Posted By Raziel at 11:12 AM - Mon May 15 2017

I agree with this to, the fact you want a pre-built game that felt to the players joining like it has been their for hundreds of years is one thing.

But buying magical object, legendary buildings and such feel unfair. Apart from the fact it gives an advantage to those with financial meanings it also remove a bug part of the game. The interest of many lies in the feeling of accomplishment for being the first to craft an object, to build a legendary monument, for. Ring the first adventurer to find a magical sword in the wild, the first tamer to bring back a Griffon...

I understand that maybe some people bought way to much EPs and to balance it off, selling objects at crazy rates, could have seemed the only solution to get rid of some ridiculous EP amounts. Because you still want people with the basic pledge to be able to buy what they need and not highly increase the general prices.

I don't say I have in mind an elegant solution but I'm sure that one could be found.

How can you be the "first to craft a legendary object" in a world thousands of years old?

And how does it "remove a bug (sic) part of the game"? Those items wouldn't be in the game if a player hadn't put them there.

i agree here, i think rare items could be bought perhaps but still you are taking a gamble there. But above rare should be only discovered in game. this sentence ''If your character cuts a Master Emerald, worthy of sitting on the crown of the King, it's because your own nimble fingers made it happen.'' always stuck with me when reading about this game. But now this sentence does not realy count for me anymore.

altho this sentence is about jewelry it might has well been about a sword made for the king. and then the sentence could be just as well ''If your character creates a sword worthy to be wielded by the king, its because you bought the blueprints and not figured it our yourself'' kinda sad for the people that planned to learn themself everything and become one of the best blackmsiths ever.

Beeing able to buy rare blueprints wont effect the world that much but above it will. and it shouldnt.

What about "if your player has access to a blueprint of legendary quality it is because it has been passed down in your family for ages"?

Just to present both arguments i thought of reposting this here.

Posted By Hludowig at 06:16 AM - Sat May 13 2017

Here are my two cents.

First, the items of the EP store will have different values so a "legendary forge" in terms of quality and rarity, will be something difficult to obtain. Based on their value, these are things that are thought for kings and nobles.

This is because, based on rarity, there will be a limit to the number of "ultra rare legendary forges". So, if you buy one of the three "ultra legendary forges" in the store for your village, there will be a king out there without said forge that would search it.

And i assure you that, if you use it without restraint, the king will found you.

You will be a target for everyone who wants the "ultra rare legendary forge".

Another thing to note, is that the store will close after exposition. So, it is, as Caspian wrote, a "Pay to Build" approach. They want that stuff in the game. Is more likely that, based on value, the backers with the higher tiers will obtain said stuff.

If a lone wolf or a small independent city obtain such items, it will be difficult for said player or group of players to protect it.

I would say that, the finite properties of the "overpowered stuff that you can't allow to buy" will help balance things. Is the same philosophy that CoE have follow from the beginning. The players can be overpowered, but they will have to fight against everyone else.

We also have technology advancement. A "ultra rare legendary forge" from the store now could be outdated in the future. Or, even if thats not the case, it could be unusable at the first stages of the game.

Imagine that the "ultra fantastic legendary forge" is a relic from the "gods" and, in order to use it, it will be necessary to have a certain level of technology. If a small settlement obtain it instead of a kingdom, they will find that the item is useless in the early stages of the game.

Imagine a car in a medieval world without gasoline. Pretty useless.

Some limitations that i introduced in this post could, perhaps, be interesting to treat the issue.

Anyway, i think we don't have enough information yet about how are the "legendary and mystical" items or what limitations they could have attached.

You make a interesting set of points Bombastus, here is my counter-argument:

1. A flat, grey, evenly distributed world is inherently challenging and interesting. As players, groups, and nobility enters the game, it gives a relatively even playing field for all players to immediately start competing against one another.
2. Having NPC's with legendary items is not a problem, as it yet encourages competition between players right away to obtain said items, instead of one player simply having the item.
3. Technology certainly can be stolen, but just because it can be stolen doesn't mean the academic/militaristic success that technology granted that group can be stolen. These items/kits can and will be the tipping point that causes victories and discoveries. Stealing the tech just puts you on an even playing field, it does not remove the advantage that was bought with real world cash.
4. Rare items are indeed only as good as the player using them, and as such the items should be won through competition in game play so that the player that receives them already has proven themselves. Your point about NPC's being trivial targets contradicts your point here: wallet warriors with no skill does not provide interesting gameplay or challenges.
5. It does seem the items are expensive enough they will seem relatively rare. I'm in agreement with you on this point.
6. The theme has been allowing players to spend money, or time. This EP update does follow that, however it is also a theme in CoE to go with what makes the best story. Presumably, those who have a lot of money have money because they spend time working. This means that on average they won't be as active or online as often as players that have time to spend but not money - meaning that the items may not end up making as many interesting stories.
7. This point doesn't work out, because before even the game starts, within KoE, the MUD, and even already, the world is not a gradient. Even if it were a gradient, it would cease to be so the moment players entered the game due to competition and conflict.

This is a very interesting discussion, and implore each player to consider the effects of the current EP store and be vocal with points or counter-points in favor or against it. As the king of Vornair mentioned, this will have a significant marketing impact on CoE.

Posted By Bombastus at 04:19 AM - Tue May 16 2017

What about "if your player has access to a blueprint of legendary quality it is because it has been passed down in your family for ages"?

i do see your point but this should be more of a unknown thing you learn from your father or mother on the deathbed...

so something u get if u are in your family's will...

people like to feel special when they make a epic weapon or armor... they dont wish to feel cheated by seeing people can buy them in ep store for cheap...

i say let them feel special and leave a little more magic for in the game. it is what attracts us about the game after all the things we can do ingame.

Have to agree with Bombastus