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Is that a shiny I see in the desert?!

It’s time to s h i n e , Elyrians! And there’s a lot to talk about, so before I show you something shiny, let’s chat!

As many of you are probably aware, the team here is generally split up into groups by focus area. The three guilds of Design, Engineering, and Content work on the game, and the Outreach guild generally handles the website, announcements, community management; that sort of thing. You might think that means the poor outreach team is always all alone but there’s often at least some small amount of crossover between all the teams. Domain and Settlement Selection (DSS) is definitely one of those times. In fact, it might be the most ambitious crossover yet.

Developing the DSS experience has involved literally every team to one extent or another over the weeks we’ve been working on it. That has a lot to do with the fact that the centerpiece of DSS is the world maps, which are a core piece of the CoE experience as well. Literally every mechanic and system a player has access to is influenced by – and influences – the world and its state. Survival depends on consumables like crops, fish, and other game, while industry depends on the material resources both on the surface and below it. Even the placement of settlements is influenced by the lay of the land, those resources I mentioned, and the environmental factors of each biome. It’s safe to say that if the map isn’t right, CoE must work a hell of a lot harder to provide players with the experience we envision.

Which means that, whether we’re talking about carefully guiding the process that generates the peaks, valleys, bogs, and other features of Elyria or defining the rules that dictate where certain resources can be found, every team has a stake in the maps, and every team has a role to play in how they’re produced… but you know, that doesn’t mean that we have complete control over the maps, either.

We started this process by taking one hand off the wheel when we put which maps would be produced into your hands with map voting. But even our other hand is only lightly holding the wheel, ready to nudge it one direction or another as the mechanics and simulations we’ve created mold the world.

As a designer who’s built half a dozen worlds, I have to say that I find this process a little harrowing. I’m very much used to meticulously and carefully preplanning everything and then crawling through every square meter of land to make sure that everything is placed just right down to the angle of each flowering forb as it pokes out of the earth. But, here we build daemons and they crawl the world for us, doing the work.

As a case in point: in one step of the process of world creation every parcel of land is analyzed, compared to its neighbors, the biome, the overall pattern of weather, and the water table to determine what sort of surface resources and soil types are found there. I had an image in my mind of what our rules would do and, sure enough, as I looked through the results for each biome, things were falling into my expectations. That is, until I got to the semi-arid desert. The semi-arid desert, at least on the test world I was using at the time, came back as one of the most valuable pieces of land in Elyria. That, in turn, influences the migration model, which suddenly saw a desert full of people who wanted to live there.

Why did it come back so valuable? Care to guess? It’s a funny story, actually. You can grow fungi in caves, and we wanted a lot of caves in the desert. We didn’t really intend those caves to be particularly great for that purpose, but the surface weather conditions weren’t being factored into that. So, like a weird and not really all that accurate reference to Dune, our desert could teem with free Menn, if you knew how to live there. Fixing it was relatively simple, but if we hadn’t been watching our daemons work, we might not have seen it happening.

Like a tesla driver engaging autopilot, you can’t look away or take your hand completely off the wheel, because at any moment in the process you may need to make a correction. As a designer working on the DSS process, that’s something I’m keenly aware of, but I admit that it’s a totally different emotional experience than I’m used to with world building. It’s scary and I bet that if you’re not bringing your A game to the process, it would be easy to get lost in everything happening all around you, as you hover your hands over the wheel.

And, speaking of getting lost in the semi-arid desert, that brings me to today’s shiny! I realize it's been a bit since we've shown off something from inside the game itself, so let’s change that. Enjoy a quick stroll through the semi-arid desert:


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5/17/2019 12:52:42 AM #16

It's great to see what's implemented here. Enough of the assets are generated for the pre-alpha engines that you can truly walk through even the generated world before the devs truly get their hands on it. Additionally, the world is truly generated including weather.

I saw that sandstorm snipehunter!!

It seems like things are very on track. It'd be interesting to see how the generated world looks with the more realistic assets one day as well. One step at a time. :D

(I'm a little sad that the value of the desert was 'fixed', but happy it gets to stay rugged and harder to live in too.)

Posted By Saebelorn at 4:42 PM - Thu May 16 2019

Could we expect to see those more prestigious (not prestigious?) Waerd living up by that mesa above?

I'm also now worried about Waerd muscling in on the Hrothi bulk-export fungi market.

I don't think it will happen. It wasn't intended and was 'fixed'. I don't think the Waerd will separate by class like that either, although it would be pretty cool.


5/17/2019 12:53:20 AM #17

Sand in the air causing the sky to be orange and limiting visibility. Reminds me of when I was in the middle east. Love it.


5/17/2019 12:54:28 AM #18

more of this please 8)


5/17/2019 12:55:25 AM #19

Lovely weather we hav....

5/17/2019 12:58:41 AM #20

I love the discussion. It's like a mini design journal every week!


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5/17/2019 1:00:42 AM #21

Very nice Snipe. One question: Are we looking at a sandstorm? Fog? What's the weather effect there?


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5/17/2019 1:02:35 AM #22

Posted By Sildadia at 6:00 PM - Thu May 16 2019

Very nice Snipe. One question: Are we looking at a sandstorm? Fog? What's the weather effect there?

Sandstorm


5/17/2019 1:08:56 AM #23

I honestly believe the low poly looks great. I know I still support the final design, but it makes me wonder if we can actually utilize both in the final game. I wonder if the low poly version would be better for PCs that have difficulty processing the more detailed version.


5/17/2019 1:18:26 AM #24

Posted By Metaldragonslayer777 at 9:08 PM - Thu May 16 2019

I honestly believe the low poly looks great. I know I still support the final design, but it makes me wonder if we can actually utilize both in the final game. I wonder if the low poly version would be better for PCs that have difficulty processing the more detailed version.

Low poly game for lower end systems and tablets, wouldn't be a bad idea... and could make sure that the time spent on art is not wasted in the long run.

:D


5/17/2019 1:22:24 AM #25

Do the Waerd have a rough idea or intuitive sense of when the sandstorms come? This could work well when they're being raided/sieged.


5/17/2019 1:30:41 AM #26

Go back, everyone, and watch it again fullscreen. Look at the plants in the distance. The distance at which they come into view is far enough that it doesn't feel like some magical LoD wizard is blinking them in and out. And each of those plants can be individually destroyed, they aren't ambiance.


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5/17/2019 1:44:15 AM #27

Mmhhmm...such value in the desert😉

We are the Sandstorm

5/17/2019 1:59:22 AM #28

Very nice, now go the step further and just release this for everyone. Cheers.


5/17/2019 2:02:01 AM #29

Idk if it's just me, but I really like the pre-elyria art style.


5/17/2019 2:33:12 AM #30

It's probably worth including something along the lines of a "low-fidelity development client" watermark in clips such as this given they will inevitably be shared out-of-context on social media, etc.


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