6 April

Name and email changes now available

By Vye

Gather round my Elyrian brethren,

As mentioned in yesterday's blog update, we've got a ton of awesome website improvements coming up. The following improvements are now live on the site!

Bounties Collected

  • Bullets and numbered lists should be indented more
  • Editing a post with markdown causes error message
  • Deleting the last post in a thread doesn't update the topic information

Contracts Completed

  • Add new post count/designators to top level forums
  • Add support for reporting posts
  • Change Email Address
  • Allow users to set avatar pictures
  • Signature Preview
  • Add Preview to posting
  • Change user name
  • Shop item to purchase user name change (after the 1st) - coming soon

Let us know if you find any issues by adding them to the Report-A-Bug forum, specifically in this post. If you just want to discuss the changes and how much you like them, put those replies right here!

May your dreams become your reality and may they inspire the world,

Vye

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Rubenvdz - 3 months ago

When will we get dates for exposition, beta 1 and beta 2?

Leiywen - 3 months ago
@Rubenvdz:

Posted By Rubenvdz at 08:31 AM - Wed May 10 2017

When will we get dates for exposition, beta 1 and beta 2?

Maybe end of the month, next week is a "minigame/contest" and the week after that an announcement. But nobody knows what announcement

CHRIFANG - 3 months ago

is there a date the game is coming out

huangolas - 4 months ago

a small step, a giant leap

RooiKreef - 4 months ago

Great work guys. It's nice to see the effort that goes into this game on a daily basis.

Clibon - 4 months ago

В одном из стримов, я в чате спросил про локализацию русского языка. Они ответили что он будет но позже после старта игры.

Elisey - 4 months ago

Если будет русский язык, в нее будет играть очень много игроков из бывшего СССР

Manta - 4 months ago

Keep up the great work. Glad to see more fixes, functionality improvements and i'm looking forward to more Q&As !

Nearia - 4 months ago

Is there a way to upload a gif as an avatar? and if so, how?

Themata - 4 months ago
@Nearia:

Posted By nopenotme at 01:29 AM - Sat Apr 08 2017

My impression of free to play, is that it is a bane on MMORPG development

I would agree with that, I was not mentioning F2P to point to it as a good example of monetization, I am just pointing out that F2P has been successful (from a money making perspective) because population is important.

Posted By Nearia at 09:29 AM - Sun Apr 09 2017

Is there a way to upload a gif as an avatar? and if so, how?

Vye has stated in another thread that GIF avatars are restricted to a certain amount of IP, from memory I think it was 1,000

Bremya - 4 months ago

Урааа!! Спасибо что вы делаете!!!

Dante_Rhyne - 4 months ago

very very nice

Silhouette - 4 months ago

I wander if she is this dreamy IRL.

May your dreams become your reality and may they inspire the world,

Vye

DayriElle - 4 months ago

Thank you so much for this! Our posts now look livelier and prettier.

I do have a bit of an issue with the name change. Not being able to use apostrophes nor spaces is kind of a bummer for me.

My intended name includes an apostrophe (Dayri'Elle) as a way to separate the House name form the proper name. As a second resort, I tried using a space (Dayri Elle), which isn't possible either.

Are there plans to include those in the future, by any chance? Or are they meant to stop some sort of abuse?

RegisHammer - 4 months ago

Very nice, Been wanting to put a avatar up.

Chronicles_of_P2W - 4 months ago

Well I still haven't seen any non pledged community member getting any influence by just participating. :)

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Also, a question:

I have read that participation with "high rated posts" could be rewarded with influence. However problem is that non pledged community members rarely get huge number of likes on posts (usually only highest tiers get that due to being famous).

Specially if non pledged community member has a somewhat different vision then most of community, still being helpful and great member but perhaps supports PvP or deviancy etc. There is no way his posts will get even medium rating (let alone high) even if he is awesomely helpful and writes great posts.

I personally don't see any non pledged community member reach even close to whats needed to activate said forum functionality.

Again, correct me if I'm wrong.

Kleos - 4 months ago

I'm with Themata on this one. Without implementing the ability to gain influence before putting this system in place it essentially does become a paywall and a charge for posting links and adding to the community. While it's great that it blocks spam it's a little like knowing a spammer is from a certain country and then blocking the whole country.

Mandos - 4 months ago

Just want to chip in, in defence of the IP limit for links: it's completely cleared up spam on the forums. I haven't had to remove a single spam thread size its implementation.

Themata - 4 months ago
@Mandos:

@Vye

Fair enough and I appreciate your willingness to hear me out. If there are more plans for IP in the future, I am sure this would be less of an issue for me.

Posted By Barghest at 10:06 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

Just want to chip in, in defence of the IP limit for links: it's completely cleared up spam on the forums. I haven't had to remove a single spam thread size its implementation.

Fair call, but at what point should the ability of users to use the forums be prioritised under moderators having to moderate? Or to put it another way, I think I would prefer to be able to post links and a moderator have to delete two or three threads a day. My other points was, as Gothix I think also mentioned, there are other ways, such as requiring a post count or membership duration.

@Blank

My F2P comment was a little confusing, I was more stating 'the free to play method alone proves that there is value in participation of more people' rather than actually saying that the free to play method actually applied to CoE.

What you are saying makes sense, but my argument isn't really 'I am contributing the the community therefore I should be allowed these things', it is moreso 'these are basic forum functionality and to have to earn them in any way at all is odd and off-putting.'

At this point I will just say I think the jist of my thoughts have been communicated, and thank you all for hearing me out.

Ravenlute - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 5:33 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

"...it is moreso 'these are basic forum functionality and to have to earn them in any way at all is odd and off-putting.'"

It is weird for an open forum. If it was a closed forum reserved for paying players only then it would equate to a spark of life which is worth 250 influence to gain access. I feel like they've done that but kept it open to the general public to read and post notes as well.

Vye - 4 months ago

Dleatherus is right in that the intention for the change was fueled by ways to restrict spam and bots, not to shame or fleece members of the community.

Themata is absolutely correct that there is more than one way to support us, and spending time in the community is definitely one of them. That's why we included influence gain through participation in the first place!

Now, not all the influence-gain functionality has been implemented to our vision. Affiliates, for example, is still future functionality for the site that would add more influence. We also don't have our content-submission tools in place that would also reward influence. It's still a work-in-progress, and I appreciate healthy discourse on it. This community really is the best! (most sites would have established an avatar-based caste system and devolved into a flame war by now)

We intentionally made the links/avatar functionality less than the price of the lowest-level package because we want to support participation, not just funding. If we've missed the mark, we will correct it, so please continue to discuss it so we can be better informed going forward.

Thanks!

YuunoGasai - 4 months ago
@Vye:

"...(most sites would have established an avatar-based caste system and devolved into a flame war by now)..." EVERYTHING CHANGED WHEN THE FIRE NATION ATTACKED (lol, but seriously, good job on keeping up with the community)

Chronicles_of_P2W - 4 months ago

Posted By Themata at 12:57 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

Noted, and thanks for the clarification, but I am going to hazard a guess and say there are likely very few, if any community members who have even 100 influence from purely 'highly rated posts'.

But my real point is that you guys seem to be moving more towards putting basic forum functionality behind what is essentially a paywall. You can refer to influence points, but influence points are essentially money points when it comes down to it, either yours or your friend's.

I am not trying to be belligerent about it, I just don't appreciate not being able to post links, after making a number of helpful community posts, which I can no longer edit or add to. Now to add to this, I can't use an avatar, which I do like doing, because I have held off throwing money at screen shots and design notes, despite being very excited about the game.

There are the exclusive forums for high tiered backers. Putting all these restrictions on regular forums seems very excessive to me, and does not make someone like me, who is very supportive of the game despite not having purchased it yet, feel pretty unappreciated.

I agree with the post above.


Preventing fresh accounts from posting links, though, is a good thing to help prevent bots posting spam links.

On the other hand, bots can still spam plain text and write their links in such way so this doesn't really counter spam (it only makes it unclickable).

Also, even if preventing fresh accounts from posting links is a thing, it still doesn't mean that older accounts that already have certain number of posts and exist for a while couldn't be cleared of that restriction.

So lets say if someone has an account (even if no influence on it) but account itself is older than X months, and has more than X posts, that account could get some basic functionality activated (posting links, setting avatar).


Now, people with pledges can go and click dislikes thinking "oh free accounts want benefits, screw them"...

... but don't forget that those "free" accounts can become "paying" accounts depending on how warmly community welcomes them (they may just be undecided yet), and also they can be helpful community members even if they haven't pledged yet.

Preventing them (at least those already established accounts) from using some basic forum functionality does not place SbS under the greatest light.

Likewise, clicking dislikes on valid posts such as Themata posted does not shine the best light on the community as well.

Waxseal - 4 months ago

Thanks for this amazing, and long waited update.

I could kiss you, but I am too tired.

Goodnight.

Bieito_Skybourne - 4 months ago

Wewt!

Themata - 4 months ago

Posted By Vye at

  • Allow users to set avatar pictures

Paid users that is.

Pretty soon people won't be able to post more than 10 characters without a noble title.

Vye - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 3:25 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Vye at

  • Allow users to set avatar pictures

Paid users that is.

Pretty soon people won't be able to post more than 10 characters without a noble title.

Folks need just 250 Influence in order to set an avatar picture. Influence can be earned through pledging or contributing to the community through highly rated posts, getting friends to join, and whatnot. Pledging at the lowest level package would give 400 influence.

Themata - 4 months ago
@Vye:

Posted By Vye at 08:40 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

Posted By Themata at 3:25 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Vye at

  • Allow users to set avatar pictures

Paid users that is.

Pretty soon people won't be able to post more than 10 characters without a noble title.

Folks need just 250 Influence in order to set an avatar picture. Influence can be earned through pledging or contributing to the community through highly rated posts, getting friends to join, and whatnot. Pledging at the lowest level package would give 400 influence.

Noted, and thanks for the clarification, but I am going to hazard a guess and say there are likely very few, if any community members who have even 100 influence from purely 'highly rated posts'.

But my real point is that you guys seem to be moving more towards putting basic forum functionality behind what is essentially a paywall. You can refer to influence points, but influence points are essentially money points when it comes down to it, either yours or your friend's.

I am not trying to be belligerent about it, I just don't appreciate not being able to post links, after making a number of helpful community posts, which I can no longer edit or add to. Now to add to this, I can't use an avatar, which I do like doing, because I have held off throwing money at screen shots and design notes, despite being very excited about the game.

There are the exclusive forums for high tiered backers. Putting all these restrictions on regular forums seems very excessive to me, and does not make someone like me, who is very supportive of the game despite not having purchased it yet, feel pretty unappreciated.

Blankwindow - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 5:57 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Vye at 08:40 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

Posted By Themata at 3:25 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Vye at

  • Allow users to set avatar pictures

Paid users that is.

Pretty soon people won't be able to post more than 10 characters without a noble title.

Folks need just 250 Influence in order to set an avatar picture. Influence can be earned through pledging or contributing to the community through highly rated posts, getting friends to join, and whatnot. Pledging at the lowest level package would give 400 influence.

Noted, and thanks for the clarification, but I am going to hazard a guess and say there are likely very few, if any community members who have even 100 influence from purely 'highly rated posts'.

But my real point is that you guys seem to be moving more towards putting basic forum functionality behind what is essentially a paywall. You can refer to influence points, but influence points are essentially money points when it comes down to it, either yours or your friend's.

I am not trying to be belligerent about it, I just don't appreciate not being able to post links, after making a number of helpful community posts, which I can no longer edit or add to. Now to add to this, I can't use an avatar, which I do like doing, because I have held off throwing money at screen shots and design notes, despite being very excited about the game.

There are the exclusive forums for high tiered backers. Putting all these restrictions on regular forums seems very excessive to me, and does not make someone like me, who is very supportive of the game despite not having purchased it yet, feel pretty unappreciated.

If your not putting money in the SBS coffers either from your own wallet or by recruiting those who spend from their own wallet.

then your not really supporting the game. Just your interest in it.

Themata - 4 months ago
@Blankwindow:

Posted By Dleatherus at 09:21 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

i wonder what your reaction is going to be when you start getting surcharged $0.10 for every character above 100 characters in an individual post? :)

in all seriousness - not being able to post links without having the minimum tier is gonna clear out a LOT of the spam threads which have plagued us for well over a year

bummer that it effects you - but you can always type out the link in the hope that if your post has merit, its readers will copy and paste the link and see it that way

Haha the 10c per character would ruin me for sure :O

I agree, and yes there are work arounds. It is just inconvenient and I don't like the message it sends.

Posted By Blankwindow at 09:22 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

If your not putting money in the SBS coffers either from your own wallet or by recruiting those who spend from their own wallet.

then your not really supporting the game. Just your interest in it.

Sorry man but this is flat out wrong.

Firstly, the free to play monetization system is completely built around the idea that a non paying player adds value simply by their presence. Now, this is a community at this point, not actually a server population as such, but the point remains that discussion and hype help a community and game grow a lot.

Secondly, you would be a terrible salesman. If you are encouraging someone to purchase your product you don't invite them in and the tell them to sit on a mouldy recliner with rusty springs sticking out of it, and tell them they can sit on the leather couches when they have bought your product. Obviously this is an exaggeration, but my point is that holding back comforts and pleasantries just for the sake of it is not great, and doesn't work as a sales tactic anyway.

The whole avatar border thing is meant to be the 'I supported so I have something a little bit extra flashy', not basic forum functionality. I literally can't think of how they could restrict general users more at this point other than limiting their character count to less. I'm surprised I am allowed a signature.

nopenotme - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 7:46 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Dleatherus at 09:21 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

i wonder what your reaction is going to be when you start getting surcharged $0.10 for every character above 100 characters in an individual post? :)

in all seriousness - not being able to post links without having the minimum tier is gonna clear out a LOT of the spam threads which have plagued us for well over a year

bummer that it effects you - but you can always type out the link in the hope that if your post has merit, its readers will copy and paste the link and see it that way

Haha the 10c per character would ruin me for sure :O

I agree, and yes there are work arounds. It is just inconvenient and I don't like the message it sends.

Posted By Blankwindow at 09:22 AM - Fri Apr 07 2017

If your not putting money in the SBS coffers either from your own wallet or by recruiting those who spend from their own wallet.

then your not really supporting the game. Just your interest in it.

Sorry man but this is flat out wrong.

Firstly, the free to play monetization system

is completely built around the idea that a non paying player adds value simply by their presence. Now, this is a community at this point, not actually a server population as such, but the point remains that discussion and hype help a community and game grow a lot.

Secondly, you would be a terrible salesman. If you are encouraging someone to purchase your product you don't invite them in and the tell them to sit on a mouldy recliner with rusty springs sticking out of it, and tell them they can sit on the leather couches when they have bought your product. Obviously this is an exaggeration, but my point is that holding back comforts and pleasantries just for the sake of it is not great, and doesn't work as a sales tactic anyway.

The whole avatar border thing is meant to be the 'I supported so I have something a little bit extra flashy', not basic forum functionality. I literally can't think of how they could restrict general users more at this point other than limiting their character count to less. I'm surprised I am allowed a signature.

re free to play

My impression of free to play, is that it is a bane on MMORPG development, and not a help. In its presence, game quality plummets, game longevity shrinks, game communities toxify.

In short, as far as I am concerned, free to play is one of the worst marketing schemes for long term MMORPG gaming that has been foisted on the player communities. The sooner it reaches its demise , the better.

Blankwindow - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 6:46 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Firstly, the free to play monetization system is completely built around the idea that a non paying player adds value simply by their presence. Now, this is a community at this point, not actually a server population as such, but the point remains that discussion and hype help a community and game grow a lot.

Secondly, you would be a terrible salesman. If you are encouraging someone to purchase your product you don't invite them in and the tell them to sit on a mouldy recliner with rusty springs sticking out of it, and tell them they can sit on the leather couches when they have bought your product. Obviously this is an exaggeration, but my point is that holding back comforts and pleasantries just for the sake of it is not great, and doesn't work as a sales tactic anyway.

The whole avatar border thing is meant to be the 'I supported so I have something a little bit extra flashy', not basic forum functionality. I literally can't think of how they could restrict general users more at this point other than limiting their character count to less. I'm surprised I am allowed a signature.

No arguments on that.

I love my 3 or 4 Tom Smykowskis at work (Office Space reference)

And i said you weren't really supporting the game, only your interest in it. I didn't say you were't supporting the community. Which while in theory supports the game. It doesn't necessarily. as if people aren't paying or attracting people are (and this is hard to prove if they aren't using friend codes) then they aren't really supporting the game either.

now I agree I've enjoyed a lot of yours posts, and I can think of a few that may have even sways some fence riders.

but unless they used your friend code, or SBS adds in some other way to notate a referral during sign up and\or store purchase. it is hard to measure impact and if you can't measure it, it doesn't really count in my book is my take on it

Even if Vye hadn't posted the above, I already knew that isn't how SBS feels on the topic, just my personal opinion.

and I don't remember this game every being called free to play. your going to have to buy the base game to play it. even if you earn enough SP in your following lives to buy sparks and play it for free after that point.

you still had to buy the game in the first place to play it at all.

Dleatherus - 4 months ago
@Themata:

Posted By Themata at 3:57 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017 >

I am not trying to be belligerent about it, I just don't appreciate not being able to post links, after making a number of helpful community posts, which I can no longer edit or add to. Now to add to this, I can't use an avatar, which I do like doing, because I have held off throwing money at screen shots and design notes, despite being very excited about the game.

i wonder what your reaction is going to be when you start getting surcharged $0.10 for every character above 100 characters in an individual post? :)

in all seriousness - not being able to post links without having the minimum tier is gonna clear out a LOT of the spam threads which have plagued us for well over a year

bummer that it effects you - but you can always type out the link in the hope that if your post has merit, its readers will copy and paste the link and see it that way

Rofus - 4 months ago

"Shop item to purchase user name change (after the 1st)"

So how much does it cost after the first one?

Vye - 4 months ago
@Rofus:

Posted By Rofus at 3:22 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

"Shop item to purchase user name change (after the 1st)"

So how much does it cost after the first one?

It'll be $10, in line with every other online game.

Rovert - 4 months ago

Oh my hahahha, avatars on mobile are huge, in finding it quite funny.

Sneezewortt - 4 months ago

yay gifs

Raithe - 4 months ago

Yes, if we could have approximate dimensions for avatars that would be very helpful :)

Vye - 4 months ago
@Raithe:

Posted By Raithe at 3:12 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Yes, if we could have approximate dimensions for avatars that would be very helpful :)

It's natively 110x110 px, but anything square will not be squished.

Bombastus - 4 months ago
@Vye:

Posted By Vye at 3:18 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Raithe at 3:12 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Yes, if we could have approximate dimensions for avatars that would be very helpful :)

It's natively 110x110 px, but anything square will not be squished.

My Avatar is 600x600, but is getting squished to 110x100. Is there a "1" missing somewhere?

Shrewdcrow - 4 months ago
@Bombastus:

Posted By Bombastus at 6:29 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Vye at 3:18 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Posted By Raithe at 3:12 PM - Thu Apr 06 2017

Yes, if we could have approximate dimensions for avatars that would be very helpful :)

It's natively 110x110 px, but anything square will not be squished.

My Avatar is 600x600, but is getting squished to 110x100. Is there a "1" missing somewhere?

110 × 105 pixels (Natural: 600 × 600 pixels)

the Border itself is; 150 × 146 pixels (Natural: 249 × 243 pixels)

Tarvald - 4 months ago

What are the appropriate dimensions for an Avatar so that it does not look squished. Thankyou.

hlenzen - 4 months ago

Nice! Keep up the good work!!!