23 May

It's the Thought That Counts

By Vye

A hearty greeting to you, my friends,

The culmination of our celebration builds upon one theme: community! That legendary quest of feeling like you're playing a table-top RPG with thousands of people in a fully-interactive, non-linear, virtual-world is something we all share in this community. To some, that means dungeon-delving. To others, politics and intrigue. Yet others are looking to become a famous artisan, wage epic wars, create a mercantile empire, or simply experience a slice of life in a different world.

We're a community of like-minded individuals whose sum is greater than our parts. We want to help you bring your friends and family into the fold, to experience Elyria with you, and so our secret Week 4 gift is gifting!


The dev team pulled hard to get this implemented in time for gift recipients to be able to take advantage of the other anniversary promotions. It may not be what you were expecting, but it's an important feature and we're happy to include it in our celebrations this month!

Gifts can now be sent from Account > Inventory. Since an account may only have 1 Pledge Package assigned to it right now, there are giftable packages now available in the Store. Sending a package to another account gives the recipient the opportunity to Claim the package (if their account does not currently have a package), re-gift it, or hold onto it until account merging is put in place (if they have an existing package). Note: the Influence from any gift package purchase is retained by the account that purchased it.

Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account.

Doing Away With Layaway

Settlement & Domain Selection is on the horizon so I want to announce that our Layaway program will be coming to an end. As of July 1st, 2017, the Layaway feature will no longer offer new Layaways. The majority of folks with a package on Layaway will be eligible to participate in Settlement & Domain Selection and, since the package rewards aren't truly owned until the package is paid off, we don't want people showing up late to that party.

If you have an existing Layaway, you can still make payments up until Exposition starts but you'd miss out on many of the benefits in the pledge. So, while we encourage you to pay it off by Settlement & Domain Selection (and especially in May while it's on sale), ultimately you are the manager of your own money and the master of your own life. We won't be canceling layaways-in-progress on July 1st, we're just not inviting new layaways to be started after that date.

Don't Miss Out

The sales on Pledge Packages and Exposition Points continue - 10% off for just a little while longer! These deals, along with the limited-time EP Pack, are going away at the end of the month.

Villager and Guild Tokens will be available to purchase up until Exposition, but the Contest entry will close at the end of the month, as well. Villager Tokens must be contributed to a player with a Settlement (Mayor title and above), but Organizations could be started by anyone. Each Token is ultimately an entry into a raffle with prizes as follows:

  • The winning settlements are guaranteed to have a major story event occur in their settlement!
  • The winning organizations will be written into the lore and history of Elyria as we continue to develop the game!

There will be a set of winners on each server, which we'll announce after Server Selection. Check out last week's announcement for more details about the contest.

All of this is because May is the anniversary of our Kickstarter and we wanted to celebrate with you! Check out the announcement post for full details about the different events that have gone on this month.

Remember, the greatest gift is not found in the store, but in the hearts of true friends,

Vye

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Dongiovanna - 2 months ago

Hi there and welcome to all italian and English speacking player. Live in Rome... means the way to greatness... The Legion X Invicta awaits you.. Join Us. Look in Facebook for the group.

SoulSpark - 3 months ago

I'm late to this "party" cos I was offline for a week but I have to say a number of things, firstly this feature is a good new feature. For a number of people gifting is something they wanted. BUT.... it should never have been made out to be "a surprise!".

It's like a Mother telling their child they have a surprise for them and instead of giving them a tasty chocolate bar they're given a hard boiled egg. It's something edible and eggs are nice but it aint chocolate and not everyone likes eggs.

I think this all boils down to how the 4th week was advertised as something secret and far more exciting than it actually was, gifting isn't something everyone can get behind cos not everyone is interested in paying more money out to gift packages to other people.

When something is a surprise it needs to be something every person wants and can get behind.

Just my pennies worth. Thanks for all your hard work though cos I'm aware of how much work was required, I'm not complaining about the actual feature, just the way it was propagandised to the community. lol

ArchieTech - 3 months ago

Sweet! I'm still new but this is awesome! This gives the big wigs a way to flesh out their settlements! Not only can you have your own shtick, now you can entice your friends and fellow gamers to join your realms! So many possibilities!

Plus...i mean bribery was an art in this time period. -slides a pledge package to a potential vassal whilst whistling innocently-

Aeryn Suun - 3 months ago

Cool posts. Looking forward to getting back to the design of the game type post similar to the earlier Dev Journals!

Daichi - 3 months ago

Love the update SBS, it's great to see features come to light, ignore the children..

Noslim - 3 months ago

I just went through 12 pages of this and now I have a headache.. but I bet that one guy is real fun at parties..

Whatever.. I blew my whole load the first week so I'm glad week 4 wasn't as big as everyone was making it out to be =D

Idioticmaddog - 3 months ago

I am disappointed because all the possible promotions that I betted on did not happened.

(What happened to The hunt for red October reference?)

I happy because... I didn't bet any money on it. Mwhahahaha!

Oh come on, life is not always going to our way. We just have to make the best of what we get.

And now... I get to hold my friends as an emotional hostage by gifting them a package. Mwahahaha! (Kidding, I'm not really crazy. I swear I am not.)

Auralin_Valia - 3 months ago

I understand why people are disappointed with the 4th week surprise, it's not as spectacular as what the hype train led us to believe.

I think the reason that the hype train got so large was because of the post about what people thought it was. I'm not saying the post is bad, it was a great idea to get people talking and letting the devs know what they wanted, and SBS has (from what i've seen) taken a hell of a lot of time to read these posts. So they are obviously paying attention to us, which is more than a lot of other game devs can say.

Personally i'm pretty happy this has come out, whilst i'm not sure how many people will use the gifting system this late into the backing, It will still help us to get our friends into it, and started with us.

All in all i think SBS has done a great job up to now. Sure dev journals have come a little slower, but if you're comparing the time from when Caspian first started writing them to now, then surely you realize that he (and the whole SBS team as well) has a hell of a lot more work on his plate now than he did then.

Given what we have, and at the rate that it has come, especially recently, I think we should be pretty appreciative of the hard work this team is doing.

Zahra - 3 months ago

Thank you for adding gifting! :D I waited till the 4th week because I thought you would add it now (just cause it was hinted at in the initial news). It's all in the strats my bros. Sorry people are salty, I think more was expected from the build up to it. Oh well, I'm happy!

Penddraig - 3 months ago

Yawwwnnn what an anti-climax. Some great "surprise". I certainly don't wanna be on your Xmas list. Disappointing to say the least. Careful - the money grab- is getting a bit weak, interest is waning.

LORD_SHADOW - 3 months ago

This is very ridiculous. We expected a surprise we get it not to give it. For a friend who has not bought the game, I am not required to buy it for him. It seems that the surprise was for the developers not for the players. What a disappointment.

Elfseeker - 3 months ago

I must be crazy. I always figured any kind of account-gifting happened while there still was a chance that -someone- in the social circles of those already signed up, had not been coerced to sign up already.

I don't see this being of worth to anyone but the very most recent pledgers. who might know someone not already signed up to this.

Unless of course you're that most unique of creatures; a person with a lot of money, and a willingness to give a lot of it to others for no reason. :) (to -improve- a person's existing pledge rather than starting one)

Heartagram - 3 months ago

I will never use gifting but thank you anyway. And regarding "suprise" well... I had too high expectations for this studio.

Sage_Li_Wei - 3 months ago

To SBS, this is just like when a product is reviewed. Keep in mind that it is mostly those who are in some way irritated that are the most vocal, those who are pleased tend to speak the praise among themselves. That's unfortunately the way it goes and by no means is the opinion of the whole population.

Gifting is not something I will be participating in most likely, but it is a step closer to V3 of the website, as it's all connected.

Please, keep up the good work.

To those that think SBS should learn something from this, I'm sure the only thing they've learned is to be more cautious in the future when it comes to being generous to the community.

But that's just my two cents, and I tend to be a bit cynical in my responses.

Clemy - 3 months ago
@Sage_Li_Wei:

Posted By SageLiWei at 8:08 PM - Wed May 24 2017

But that's just my two cents, and I tend to be a bit cynical in my responses.

Cynical? Perhaps, but also regrettably accurate

OfficialGamerno1 - 3 months ago

Nice! =)

Aeyt - 3 months ago

That moment when you realize you forgot to switch back to your main account before posting! xD

Posted By Aeyt2 at 10:12 AM - Wed May 24 2017

@Vye

First off, I'd like to thank all of you over at SbS for everything you do for us, and all the wonderful updates you give us on progress.

Now that gifting is live, you can buy those giftable packages. We are still unable to gift a package on an account that was purchased before the gifting phase. I created other accounts to buy packages for friends and family. The accounts I created have IP that came from making a purchase. I want that IP merged onto my main account after I gift the packages so that my turn in land selection can be bumped up, but the packages aren't in the inventory. That didn't exist yet. Since they are not 'gift' packages, they aren't there to be gifted. They are attached to the account. When will I be able to gift those? Like if I wanted to gift my KS Count Package but keep all the extra EP I bought (never gonna happen), how/when will that be possible?

This guy really sounds like a thinker!

Deftly - 3 months ago

To be fair, whenever you hear the word "surprise" in a game being developed it is normally followed by a video, gameplay, pictures, content, etc..I think telling ue it was a feature we always wanted regarding accounts but letting us guess would it could be would of been safer than a surprise.

Aeyt2 - 3 months ago

@Vye

First off, I'd like to thank all of you over at SbS for everything you do for us, and all the wonderful updates you give us on progress.

Now that gifting is live, you can buy those giftable packages. We are still unable to gift a package on an account that was purchased before the gifting phase. I created other accounts to buy packages for friends and family. The accounts I created have IP that came from making a purchase. I want that IP merged onto my main account after I gift the packages so that my turn in land selection can be bumped up, but the packages aren't in the inventory. That didn't exist yet. Since they are not 'gift' packages, they aren't there to be gifted. They are attached to the account. When will I be able to gift those? Like if I wanted to gift my KS Count Package but keep all the extra EP I bought (never gonna happen), how/when will that be possible?

Oracle - 3 months ago

You'd think people would be focussed more on "Settlement & Domain Selection is on the horizon" and feeling enthusiastic.

I guess everyone wants that bit yesterday. Patience is painful when you're desperate to get your hands on something eh :)

Kaynadin - 3 months ago

I think the root of the issue is the use of the word surprise. A surprise is something you don't expect. Hitting the next logical point in a development road map at approximately the time people expect it may be important, and may be a lot of work to do, but it isn't a surprise. So when people hear the word surprise they start wondering what new things will be revealed, or which existing points on the roadmap may be coming out early.

Adam Burrfoot - 3 months ago

I am extremely excited for the Gifting being completed. That is a HUGE step and is a HUGE thing for the community. The amount of work the studio put into getting it rolled out this month is pretty fantastic. Those who are disappointed, I expect, just don't quite understand how much work really had to go into it, and how much of a boon it is to the CoE community to have gifting available.

There are a very large amount of people who are looking to gift things to friends. Gifting packages to friends gains another person who has a vested interest in the game. They bite onto the lure and come in full sail, then get hyped by the game and start telling all their friends about it. They get enough friends and decide to upgrade their package, their friends are buying packages now too because they want their town / county / duchy / kingdom to be sweet. Their friends bring in their friends, those friends get vested, the cycle repeats and we end up with many more vested individuals in the community committed to seeing this game grow and prosper.

That is a win ladies and gentlemen. That isn't even mentioning how close that brings us to merging, which brings us ever closer to domain selection, which is another HUGE amount of progress from the studio. I know quite a few people from our community who's hype was all but burned out for CoE. Gifting and the progress that has clearly been made by SBS over the last month has lit that fire back up in them and they are back out spreading the gospel of CoE.

If that doesnt get you excited..... either you are being a bit selfish / self absorbed. Or you just don't quite see how big of a positive impact this makes on the community. Or, you built yourself up to expect something that the Devs have been trying to tell you wasnt going to happen at this phase. If you expected an EP store... I can quote the devs saying multiple times that wont come out until they have had a chance to balance everything. If you expected website 3.0 you are severely underestimating all of the work that still needs to be done prior to website 3.0 being viable. If you expected maps to vote on, well I guess that could be a reasonable expectation but, I wouldn't expect that until after 3.0 is released / in a state of QA. If you expected server selection, again I can quote the devs saying they don't want to conduct server selection until we have had the opportunity to see the maps for each server. Etc.

That being said, the expectations of this community have always been very high, and unrealistic. The rampant speculation that runs wild in this community has always permeated the community. I blame us community leaders for not properly managing it within our communities. Every time the devs release some sort of information someone gets their panties in a bunch (i've been guilty of it myself, but not because of mechanical things, so much as what I see as marketing misses) because it doesn't fit the speculation, and planning they have been doing in their communities so they have to "go back to the drawing board".

My advice, stop getting into the weeds with your planning / speculation. Keep it at the levels that we do have control over as players, keep out of the mechanical weeds until we have solid mechanical information available to us. Curb the speculation to the point where you keep it to a high enough, manageable level, where your plans / theorycrafting is not going to be completely destroyed every time a new piece of the puzzle is presented to us. If you can manage your community to keep it at that level, you put yourself in a position to simply take the Dev's vision and support it fully as a community / build to it.

Does this mean we as a community should 100% back the devs decisions 100% of the time. No, if you see issues (marketing, PR, community outreach, things that could be exploited, things that could ruin your interest in the game at large and therefore other people's interests in the larger community could be effected) it's absolutely the job of the community to bring that to the attention of the studio so that they can choose how they will handle it.

Disappointment that a surprise was not surprisey enough for you is valid feedback. I am just giving you some more context around it incase those who are disappointed didnt factor that context in.

My 2cents, that always ends up being a huge wall of text. Enjoy :-) .

Aeyt - 3 months ago

I got super excited and did a little happy dance in my office chair (literally man, literally. There was a silent squee face of glee, and an epic little arm jiggling, torso swerving dance bro). Then I scroll down and see all the salt. COME ON! People! Seriously! Many of you appear to be suffering from Cranial Rectosis. Maybe see a doctor about that, but don't spread your salt all over our happy fun space.

Aldiron - 3 months ago

X"D, X"D, X"D!!!!!!!!!!

Salty_Joe - 3 months ago

Everyone here is getting salty over the people who are just expressing the disappointment... I'm not mad/angry/upset, just a bit disappointed. Just saying expectations weren't met...

so read into more if you want to continue to get butt hurt or just take it as it is. No need for yelling at us for having higher expectations or expecting some content.

Jarri - 3 months ago
@Salty_Joe:

Posted By Salty_Joe at 08:09 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Everyone here is getting salty over the people who are just expressing the disappointment... I'm not mad/angry/upset, just a bit disappointed. Just saying expectations weren't met...

so read into more if you want to continue to get butt hurt or just take it as it is. No need for yelling at us for having higher expectations or expecting some content.

I find this post rather interesting coming from someone with your name 😀

Salty_Joe - 3 months ago
@Jarri:

Posted By Jarri at 7:37 PM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By Salty_Joe at 08:09 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Everyone here is getting salty over the people who are just expressing the disappointment... I'm not mad/angry/upset, just a bit disappointed. Just saying expectations weren't met...

so read into more if you want to continue to get butt hurt or just take it as it is. No need for yelling at us for having higher expectations or expecting some content.

I find this post rather interesting coming from someone with your name 😀

Shhhhh 🤐

Lunaus - 3 months ago

You all are twisting the definition of what a surprise is to fit your own little world because all you can think about is your own progression, greed, and spoiled bratty wants. The definition of a surprise nowhere entails that the surprise HAS to be this this HUGE HYPED UP ANY AND EVERYTHING YOU WANT THING!!!

sur·prise sə(r)ˈprīz/Submit noun 1. an unexpected or astonishing event, fact, or thing. "the announcement was a complete surprise" synonyms: shock, bolt from the blue, bombshell, revelation, rude awakening, eye-opener, wake-up call; informalshocker "the test came as a big surprise" 2. BELL-RINGING denoting a class of complex methods of change-ringing. "surprise major" verb 1. (of something unexpected) cause (someone) to feel mild astonishment or shock. "I was surprised at his statement" synonyms: astonish, amaze, startle, astound, stun, stagger, shock

Yeah it says "astonishing" but what does that mean?

as·ton·ish·ing əˈstänəSHiNG/Submit adjective extremely surprising or impressive; amazing. "an astonishing achievement"

I think it's ASTONISHING how childish this community is... a lot of you bitched about not having the ability to gift and now here it is after they told us waaaaaaaaaaaay before this that they're working on it and you people aren't happy enough with it because it isn't what YOU wanted the surprise to be! This is fucking pre-alpha, we need to get the basics completed before we jump into actual game stuff like Server/Land Selection, which Vye clearly stated wasn't going to happen this month or even next! Why would we be able to pick servers/land prior to account merging? Server select is based on account creation date and land is based off IP, what if a server is (hypothetically) full before someones alt account can select? I only see problems if that were to happen.

Anyways, thanks for this option/feature SBS, I appreciate it regardless of me using it or not, and I appreciate you celebrating your Kickstarter Anniversary at all with us with all the freebies and the discount to my layaway!

Jarri - 3 months ago

Community: "We want gifting!"

SBS: "Okay, surprise! Here is gifting"

Community: "How dare you give gifting to us at this time!"

I'd like dleatherus and co to make one of their comics on this event... maybe that will make this situation seem a little less ridiculous.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@Jarri:

Posted By Jarri at 09:25 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Community: "We want gifting!"

SBS: "Okay, surprise! Here is gifting"

Community: "How dare you give gifting to us at this time!"

Isn't that the effect of silent majority you guys mention all the time but seem to forgotten in this instance? While alot of people will use it, when you take the number of people who will vs won't it's a landslide. Even if every player with IP gifted and we took all of those players combined with every single player they gifted you still wouldn't get 1/4 of the current community. I dont see the people begging for gifting complaining. I see the people that couldn't care less if gifting was ever a feature in the pre-game complaining that before this had no reason to complain about it.

Again, it's a great feature, shows site progression and a cool thing to have for the company. That is beside why this is happening. It was marketed as a surprise for the entire community yet it is a surprise for a portion of it. Whether we agree with the response or not is irrelevant because that is how that works. No one is arguing whether gifting is cool or good for the game so I'm not sure why their are so many arguments of that here. The argument is that it isn't a community surprise.It isn't. They may as well released a Early Access+ suprise that only 3.5k IP+ could use. It would have brought the same reaction. You woulda had people under 3.5k complaining and then people over tryna defend their actions as better for the game as a whole and those under 3.5k are selfish.

Anytime you release a feature advertised for everyone that only directly benefits a portion you will get a negative response. It's a given and one that I personally think was overlooked because of the work and effort put in.

I'm not quite sure what else you guys expected as a general response. It seems simple to me. I wish they told us in a EA or ExA channel that they were marketing a general surprise that only directly benefited a minority because maybe I could have warned this inevitable scenario. I'm just not sure what the expected response was, this isn't different from any other forum I have seen.

Posted By Adam Burrfoot at 11:32 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Or, you built yourself up to expect something that the Devs have been trying to tell you wasnt going to happen at this phase. If you expected an EP store... I can quote the devs saying multiple times that wont come out until they have had a chance to balance everything. If you expected website 3.0 you are severely underestimating all of the work that still needs to be done prior to website 3.0 being viable. If you expected maps to vote on, well I guess that could be a reasonable expectation but, I wouldn't expect that until after 3.0 is released / in a state of QA. If you expected server selection, again I can quote the devs saying they don't want to conduct server selection until we have had the opportunity to see the maps for each server. Etc.

This part goes along with one of my other posts in here saying that they need an official weekly updated timeline/wip somewhere on the site. I think it was point #3 of my OP outlining why they got the response they did. Unless your a info/forum veteran your not going to have the info you mentioned in the above. The last half is up to your self experience to make a prediction.

Like you said " If you expected website 3.0 you are severely underestimating all of the work that still needs to be done prior to website 3.0 being viable."

That is 100% correct but people without any experience in any transferable field are going to make vastly incorrect release margins. So knowing these things it was not a great move for SBS to rely on forum hunting and a guessing game to figure out what is/isn't plausible.

Not only will lack of XP cause misleading dates, any casual forum goer will not have equal access to the information that is randomly dumped across 25 threads and random news announcements. Even I barely caught some of the quotes you mentioned we have and I'm here every day viewing every thread as of lately.

My BIGGEST problem is that their take away lesson is "no matter what we would've done it was doomed to dissapoint". Like no... their are precise reasons why this happened and steps to avoid in the future not just sum it up as we couldn't do anything so oh well. Sounds like League of Legends talk. Whether or not we agree on gifting, or the surprise or being selfish is irrelevant to me. What happened happened for specific avoidable reasons, it wasn't "doomed".

Wolfguarde - 3 months ago
@Jarri:

Posted By Jarri at 11:25 PM - Wed May 24 2017

Community: "We want gifting!"

SBS: "Okay, surprise! Here is gifting"

Community: "How dare you give gifting to us at this time!"

I'd like dleatherus and co to make one of their comics on this event... maybe that will make this situation seem a little less ridiculous.

This is... pretty much what I'm reading here. It's a good update. The surprise is a little underwhelming, but the feature is valuable, was in demand and while it might not seem necessary, makes everyone's lives a little easier in the leadup to the game. I don't feel it needed to be hyped up as it was, and given the discussions regarding the EP store and the MMO fanbase's definition of pay to win the other week, this was probably an issue of unfortunate timing.

But... the reaction coming from some of the community's pretty toxic from what I'm seeing. Disproportionately so. It wasn't that much of a letdown - land selection's what a lot of us were hoping for, but did any of us really expect it to be ready this quickly? Knowing the development process as we do? - and pledge gifting just means it's easier to introduce friends to the game.

Take a few deep breaths. Let it go. Be disappointed, but don't be toxic. Shit like this is disheartening.

Idrhenion - 3 months ago

I'm probably going to second many here by saying this but here goes.

There is nothing wrong with the gifting mechanic. On the contrary, it's a smart thing to have in terms of revenue and user satisfaction, as long as some care is taken to prevent the most blatant gray markets of exclusive items from happening.

However, I don't understand why did you leave gifting the last thing to be announced? It would've made more sense, even business sense, to allow gifting first and then pour all the discounts and offers on top of it to give people more options to spend money during the sale. I understand then the anniversary timing would have been a bit off but meh.

In addition to that, It's just more like a standard feature than a bonus surprise and there was too much hype. Nevertheless, good job on implementing an important feature. It's nice to be informed of progress.

DavanOrdanska - 3 months ago
@Idrhenion:

Posted By Idrhenion at 1:36 PM - Wed May 24 2017

I'm probably going to second many here by saying this but here goes.

There is nothing wrong with the gifting mechanic. On the contrary, it's a smart thing to have in terms of revenue and user satisfaction, as long as some care is taken to prevent the most blatant gray markets of exclusive items from happening.

However, I don't understand why did you leave gifting the last thing to be announced? It would've made more sense, even business sense, to allow gifting first and then pour all the discounts and offers on top of it to give people more options to spend money during the sale. I understand then the anniversary timing would have been a bit off but meh.

In addition to that, It's just more like a standard feature than a bonus surprise and there was too much hype. Nevertheless, good job on implementing an important feature. It's nice to be informed of progress.

People would have complained that this discount came after gifting this way. SBS was damned if they did and damned if they didn't because ppl had too high expectations

Dongiovanna - 3 months ago

This is what i think... If i am not mistaken tbe game is in Pre-Alpha.. and due to be released in 2017... Up to now i absolutely LOVE this game and i wish the Developing Team will respect dates and promise. I got no problem in purchasing one of the Pledge... and most probably will be the one as Mayer or Baron... but i would need personaly i little more... lime the game in Alpha 1 at list or better Alpha 2 phase... i would love to have a date more or less for a realease date... Many Mmorpg promise Us to be the best but i belive this one is the One.... Cross finger....

CommonlyQuixotic - 3 months ago

I think the only problem with this surprise is that you started the month with a really excellent surprise that you didn't hype at all - bonuses to everyone who had already backed the game, and discounts on almost everything in the store. It was a terrific way to start out the month, but it left everyone thinking, "what's so much more amazing than what they have already given us that they want to leave us in suspense for three weeks?" The only reason people feel let down is in comparison to the amazing surprise you gave us before. I am quite happy to see that you are making so much progress on the website, and we are getting that much closer to land selection. You might have been better off saying that you hoped to have another promotion in week four if you could manage it, or that that gifting would be available soon, but that's water under the bridge now. Hopefully we'll get the tribe DJ soon and everyone will have something new to talk about :)

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

My bad meltedwater, I'm tired af and responded without reading correctly. edited to delete it but whoever sees it before the edit takes place I retract everything in it.

Iccubus - 3 months ago

I thought these were discussion boards not flaming someone if you don't agree with them. I would watch some of these responses are very close on breaking the code of conduct and i cannot believe noone has warned anyone yet.

As someone stated earlier some of us will not be able to use this week 4 discount. I already purchased the game for my wife. I also have my close friends already in CoE. So yeah a bit discouraged, but still thrilled to hear Caspisns post about organizations.

I was happy with Caspian information on Schools, guilds and nonprofit writeup and was so busy discussing the possibility with our kingdom. I didn't even know week 4 was released.

I don't think SBS understand how starving we as a community are for information. Our community is very dedicated most of us are on forums all the time.

Would be nice to have a timeline on when things will happen and in what order. With the understand that dates could move in and out.

Thalmar - 3 months ago

First of all, greetings to the community from Sweden as this will be my first post. May is being also my birthday and the deal is on, I was thinking to get into the game, indulge myself and start to contribute humbly as much as I can spare till the game launches. I have been following the game for some years now, since 2015. The next paragraph will be only from my perspective so please do not missjudge me because how I do feel or think.

Unfortunately, the disscussions that ongoing was not good for either developers or the community. I am confused and it affected my decision about joining the community and contribute. I read somewhere who writes on a forum shares the same ideas of tens of people if not hundreds who do not use forum features. Giving more priviliges to the people who most pays is not sounded too good for the MMO market. This last suprise(?) from my part sounded too greedy as I was so disappointed as many of you. Was waiting for the right moment to join the flow, but I believe there is a thin line between sounding, acting greedy and getting, asking money for designing a game that many of us interested and hyped for.

For now, I will delay my decision to join, will follow the news now and then and if the developers one more time go back the road they once took, I will reconsider my decision anf hopefully this will happen before it makes more harm as the game looks fantastic and I wish you all happy gaming.

Calliso - 3 months ago

Like others here I am pretty disappointed. But its not that big of a deal I guess and I do appreciate the fact that they put a lot of work into it. I guess if and when they ever announce a "surprise" next time I will just set my expectations lower.

Taurusus - 3 months ago

@Kyxsune they were referring to your job as an Elyrian and a forum-goer.

@Sanguinesh Eviscerator looks like you might need some Illy in your life, mate.

Caelestius - 3 months ago

Half of the community at the moment:

You hyped yourselves up and got yourselves in a tizzy over quite literally nothing. You can argue the semantics of the word "surprise" all you like, but SbS never did anything to encourage the kind of wild, off the walls theory crafting that was done.

Sure, they didn't step in and stop it, but it's not their job to manage your expectations for you. It's yours. Their job is the incredibly difficult one of building an advanced storytelling engine and an entire MMO from the ground up.

Your job is a lot easier.

Caspian and Vye, thank you so much for this long-anticipated, technically difficult, and foundational feature, and my sincere apologies for the members of the community who insist not only on looking a gift horse in the mouth, but trying to choke the gift horse by diving head first into its gullet.

coach - 3 months ago
@Caelestius:

Posted By Caelestius at 03:41 AM - Wed May 24 2017

>

Your job is a lot easier.

it has been studied and researched that adults who play online video game are one of the smartest groupings of people on the planet

probably not a good idea to presume most here aren't of above average intelligence, and even moreso, have decently challenging jobs

i get fired if i and my crew don't perform at the very highest levels, wouldn't want it any other way really as 'twould be so boring

but I'm sure you were just mad when posting so no biggie

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@coach:

Posted By coach at 7:33 PM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By Caelestius at 03:41 AM - Wed May 24 2017

>

Your job is a lot easier.

but I'm sure you were just mad when posting so no biggie

Sorry this last sentence just reminded of something. Ironically the people trying to communicate with negative opinions tend to be more toxic than the critics. I just thought that was funny. Like go back through the threads and make of note of when someone launched a direct personal attack and majority of them are from the supporters.

Trying to fight a negative view on something with toxicity isn't going to work. Pro-tip Edition.

tbh, using attacks as your defense of SBS just makes them look worse as a whole because the type of people supporting them are not the type of people you would ideally play with.

Kyxsune - 3 months ago
@Caelestius:

Posted By Caelestius at 04:41 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Your job is a lot easier.

Caspian and Vye, thank you so much for this long-anticipated, technically difficult, and foundational feature, and my sincere apologies for the members of the community who insist not only on looking a gift horse in the mouth, but trying to choke the gift horse by diving head first into its gullet.

To be fair, you don't know what our jobs our. I take a lot of pride in the difficulty/novelty of what I do.

That aside, disappointment is a valid response. Opening a gift to find tube socks would elicit disappointment from most people. What differentiates an "adult" from a "child" is the response to that disappointment. (Quotes because maturity and age are bound by correlation not causation)

I will plainly state I was disappointed. However, instead of blaming the giver, I will adjust my expectations for the future.

These days expectations almost always trend downward.

Caelestius - 3 months ago
@Kyxsune:

Posted By Kyxsune at 10:20 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By Caelestius at 04:41 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Your job is a lot easier.

Caspian and Vye, thank you so much for this long-anticipated, technically difficult, and foundational feature, and my sincere apologies for the members of the community who insist not only on looking a gift horse in the mouth, but trying to choke the gift horse by diving head first into its gullet.

To be fair, you don't know what our jobs our. I take a lot of pride in the difficulty/novelty of what I do.

That aside, disappointment is a valid response. Opening a gift to find tube socks would elicit disappointment from most people. What differentiates an "adult" from a "child" is the response to that disappointment. (Quotes because maturity and age are bound by correlation not causation)

I will plainly state I was disappointed. However, instead of blaming the giver, I will adjust my expectations for the future.

These days expectations almost always trend downward.

My apologies for not being clear! Taurusus is correct, in the context of my post, "your job" is the management of your own expectations, and as a member of the community.

I think adding account inventory and gifting is far above a pair of tube socks! People are disappointed because they failed to manage their own expectations and mob mentality led them to believe Week 4 was going to be something far beyond what the studio is ready to release.

Domain selection will come, release dates will come, but it was very silly of the community to convince themselves that it it was coming now.

After all, the teaser image was the exact carriage from the Carriage for Two. It was either going to be something to do with transportation or account merging and gifts.

(EDIT: spelling)

Arebs - 3 months ago

I really don't understand why ppl are flaming SBS for this. It was clear from the beginning that this action will be something nice, but nothing to get very excited about. With the Carriage "hint" it was clear that it will be either gifting or the server selection, both something nice but, as I already said, nothing to get very excited about. Gifting is something nice, SBS makes alot of people happy with that. Not only because of the gifting, it shows that the website is coming more near to V3, which will be really nice.

Simon - 3 months ago

Why anyone would subject themselves to the ridicule and condemnation they repeatedly face in an effort to do something nice for us is beyond me.

@Caspy, @Vye, I saw this very promotion guessed at in the ideas thread. So some of us understood where you were heading. Please disregard the vocal minority. The self-righteous don't speak for all of us. Most of us appreciate that you worked hard to bring us something you believed would be of value to us.

Mesis - 3 months ago

Guys you should try to control your inner greed. I will not benefit from any of the rewards and yet I have no need to complain.

Teland - 3 months ago

The only lesson here is the one taught by John Lydgate...
“You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time."

A lot of people are saying that SBS needs to learn a lesson about promotion and hype and how to run their business. Sure, I was expecting maybe a sale on transportation... carts, carriages, horses, etc., but I am not disappointed to the point that I have to crap on everything and everyone. I really don't get some of you folks. Can we relax and be nice? There are real people behind the keyboards. I know it's easy to separate ourselves from this knowledge, but please keep that in mind.

If the gifting doesn't pertain to your play goals, fine. Not everything will fit into the box you made in your mind 100% of the time.

Think about what lessons you can learn and move on. Caspian and crew do this every week. Maybe we can, too. Keep up the good work.

Panthea - 3 months ago

This thread isn't about bashing SBS, Some (if not a lot) were unnecessarily let down by the announcement, and I for one, would like SBS to learn from this 'mistake' (non optimal outcome), allowing them to achieve a better outcome another time. Allowing your child to get hyped for some huge gift, and then giving him something that he cant really use, isn't good parenting. Sure, it doesn't warrant labeling the parent "BAD PARENT" for the rest of their lives, and the child wont be permanently scarred from it, but it is sub-optimal, and there is no reason for the parent not to learn and improve for the next gifting opportunity. I'm sure that as soon as SBS replies with a statement that makes it seem like they've learnt something from this (relatively small) incident, all worries will be laid to rest.

Interitus - 3 months ago

I hope SBS uses this as a learning situation. If you tell people something is going to happen on a certain date, but don't include any form of context on what will happen. They imagine all the different things they'd like to happen. Clear communication is key. You don't have to ruin the surprise but suggest enough to point people in the right general direction.

Simon - 3 months ago

Momma Vye: Hey Little Bobby C., it's Christmas and Santa has a present for you.
Little Bobby C. (Community): Yay! I bet it's a pony, or a spaceship, or a Red Ryder BB gun or some shit...
Momma Vye: I don't know, why don't you open it and find out.
Little Bobby C.: Oh. It's a hand-crafted toy figurine. I don't play with toys anymore. This sucks!
Momma Vye: But it was crafted with love by the wonderful elves in the north. Isn't that special?
Little Bobby C.: Fuck the elves. Christmas is all about my gifts being things I want. Who cares how much effort went into making it.

All joking aside, shut the fuck up. No seriously. Just shut up. You'd think after a month of sbs giving us free EP, free packages, discounted prices, and now the ability to gift stuff to others - including the carriages we already paid for - we'd be happy... but nope. We're going to shit all over their work and blame them for our ignorant excitement.

Here's what I know... they never hyped this surprise. They did the opposite. They said very little about it. Gave us a hint it was related to carriages, and then went about their business. Because they didn't come into our threads and calm us down we're entitled to throw a fit and complain about their surprise?

What are we, those fuckin' bastards at Christmas who cried when their parents gave them like 10 presents that just happened to not include the new Super Marios Bros. 3 on SNES they wanted? (Tangent. Sorry).

I don't need the gifting. My friends are still waiting to see where this game goes before backing it. No reason for me to push it onto them before they're ready. But I'm not going to piss all over their surprise because it's not what I was hoping for. I'm going to say thanks, go back to reading the rest of the trolling and shitposting about the game we're allegedly excited for, and count my blessings.

But if you think talking to the devs this way is a good idea, let me educate you. Sbs cares about this shit. They care about us. This whole thread is hurtful, fucked up, and pointless. And if you've been here longer than 8 months, you know they take stuff like this personal and respond accordingly.

This thread wasn't the end of development for them. There's still tomorrow, and next week, and the week after. You think they're going to "surprise" us again after this? Fuck no. I wouldn't. And what's worse, if they were holding out any kind of announcement that they hadn't given yet, you really think they're going to do it now?!

Caspian used to rage in IRC when shit like this would go down. So unless you want to completely fuck our chances of any future freebies, or completely close them off from wanting to do us any more favors, sit down, shut up, and play with the damn toy figurine like it's your favorite Christmas present ever.

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Simon:

Posted By Simon at 01:00 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Everything you said.

Finally. I kept thinking, I was only gone for a year. Who replaced the entire forum with actual five-year-olds?

Anyways, I'm too drunk for this shit. I'mma pass out. Tagekawhatever, do yourself a favor and never use the word fallacy again. It's for your own good, trust me.

Panthea - 3 months ago

If Takeda_Shinukage and Freeman could agree to disagree so this thread wont be locked, that would be really nice. If you care about other peoples opinions, I'm sure you've written plenty for us to make one already. If you just care about convincing the other person, I'm similarly sure that you can see, that that's probably not gonna happen here. (You could start a private conversation if you REALLY want to).

I'm hoping for a reply from the team where the recognize the concerns that have been put forth by the community, on their practice in this regard, so that we can see that they have learnt from the evidently sub-optimal proceeding, and hopefully can use this to operate more optimally in the future. This is in contrast to the other two replies where it seems they are saying "Well, we did our best. Shame it didn't turn out great" and "We were doomed to fail anyway". I feel they are very unusual, in that it seems you're going into a defensive mode, instead of trying to learn from the incident, which I think is what you usually do, and what is the more professional and constructive behavior.

You're a brilliant team - you wont make a mistake like this again :)

grandad1982 - 3 months ago

Well.... Thats a bit of a disappointment.

The feature may be fine but the way you marketed week 4 needs to be reevaluated if you want to manage expectations in the future. No one wants another No Mans Sky after all...

BaronMagisto - 3 months ago

Not many people here are as big of a CoE fan as me. I fully support Caspian and the development of this game. Having said that, shame on you Caspian for this week 4 insult. I am speechless, utterly speechless. Going to bed.

Eurickdm - 3 months ago

Meh... : /

The long post from Takeda sums up

Moonlynx - 3 months ago

I am not sure why anyone who reads this forum would be upset. One of the SBS gave us last week the hint that whatever the surprise was, it was related to the carriage for two. There isn't much way to interpret that clue.

Besides, the best is yet to happen...between now and June 8. Something that is much more anticipated....a Tribes DJ. Hopefully, it won't be 5 minutes before the Q&A starts. 😊

Scheneighnay - 3 months ago

I'm sorry, but it's my count that thinks. The peasantry isn't allowed to.

RoqueKazin - 3 months ago

Come on Payday... I'm ready.

Ollobik - 3 months ago

At my advanced age I'm happy to see gifting which is a step towards account merging, which is a step towards domain selection finally get announced. It gives me hope that I might actually get to have one of my CoE characters die before I do. Thanks SBS!

Kyxsune - 3 months ago
@Ollobik:

Posted By Ollobik at 11:59 PM - Tue May 23 2017

At my advanced age I'm happy to see gifting which is a step towards account merging, which is a step towards domain selection finally get announced. It gives me hope that I might actually get to have one of my CoE characters die before I do. Thanks SBS!

That's morbid, are you in generally good health?

Ollobik - 3 months ago
@Kyxsune:

Posted By Kyxsune at 11:34 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Ollobik at 11:59 PM - Tue May 23 2017

At my advanced age I'm happy to see gifting which is a step towards account merging, which is a step towards domain selection finally get announced. It gives me hope that I might actually get to have one of my CoE characters die before I do. Thanks SBS!

That's morbid, are you in generally good health?

You're confused. Morbid is a short little Scottish dude who can't grow a beard. Oh, wait...

Teland - 3 months ago

Is it okay to be disappointed? Sure. Is it okay to tear each other down for having differing opinions on the situation and act in an unkind manner? I don't think so. I hope we can all just respect that we have different viewpoints and not make such a big deal out of every little thing.

We're all here to support the fundraising efforts of this game because we all want to play in the world that is being created. Can we act like a community and not parse every single word that is said and written all the time?

Jasta85 - 3 months ago

Look, everyone calm down. I don't think anyone is complaining about the ability to gift things. The problem is that everyone kept hyping each other up thinking it may be the world map reveal, website V3, the EP store or something really impacting the whole playerbase and the progress of the game. The devs should have seen this coming, there were multiple threads speculating on major features. So it's not really surprising that people are disappointed. I don't think this should have been a secret, it should have been announced right at the start of the sale to encourage people to buy additional packages for friends.

Anyway, I'll be buying an EP pack at discount at least (was holding off just in case week 4 was some kind of surprise sale).

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

So you know what that implies correct? It implies that you are used to being told your logic is inherently flawed which is probably a sign of something you should work on.

Posted By Freeman at 11:05 PM - Tue May 23 2017

A wise internet man once told me that a person who says "fallacy" more than twice a post has nothing interesting to say. That's why I scan every post I see and ignore any post that contains it once

Your logic here is also lacking. "More than twice a post has nothing interesting to say" then next sentence you say "ignore any post that contains it ONCE. So if I humor the example, if a wise internet man says fallacy MORE THAN twice has nothing interesting to say. It implies that one or 2 uses is okay by specifying MORE than 2. So even in your own example you ignore wise advice and take your own route limiting it to 0 uses of the term.

I'm sorry that all of your arguments so far are flawed in their core logic but I am not the one who can correct them for you.

Ravenlute - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:32 PM - Tue May 23 2017

So you know what that implies correct? It implies that you are used to being told your logic is inherently flawed which is probably a sign of something you should work on.

Posted By Freeman at 11:05 PM - Tue May 23 2017

A wise internet man once told me that a person who says "fallacy" more than twice a post has nothing interesting to say. That's why I scan every post I see and ignore any post that contains it once

Your logic here is also lacking. "More than twice a post has nothing interesting to say" then next sentence you say "ignore any post that contains it ONCE. So if I humor the example, if a wise internet man says fallacy MORE THAN twice has nothing interesting to say. It implies that one or 2 uses is okay by specifying MORE than 2. So even in your own example you ignore wise advice and take your own route limiting it to 0 uses of the term.

I'm sorry that all of your arguments so far are flawed in their core logic but I am not the one who can correct them for you.

Oh, come on Takeda, it was a joke. Then you purposefully removed the punch line of the joke, "Better safe than sorry," so that you could try to create an argument about logic? Put it to rest already.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@Ravenlute:

Posted By Ravenlute at 11:58 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:32 PM - Tue May 23 2017

So you know what that implies correct? It implies that you are used to being told your logic is inherently flawed which is probably a sign of something you should work on.

Posted By Freeman at 11:05 PM - Tue May 23 2017

A wise internet man once told me that a person who says "fallacy" more than twice a post has nothing interesting to say. That's why I scan every post I see and ignore any post that contains it once

Your logic here is also lacking. "More than twice a post has nothing interesting to say" then next sentence you say "ignore any post that contains it ONCE. So if I humor the example, if a wise internet man says fallacy MORE THAN twice has nothing interesting to say. It implies that one or 2 uses is okay by specifying MORE than 2. So even in your own example you ignore wise advice and take your own route limiting it to 0 uses of the term.

I'm sorry that all of your arguments so far are flawed in their core logic but I am not the one who can correct them for you.

Oh, come on Takeda, it was a joke. Then you purposefully removed the punch line of the joke, "Better safe than sorry," so that you could try to create an argument about logic? Put it to rest already.

"purposefully removed the punch line of the joke, "Better safe than sorry," so that you could try to create an argument about logic"

Strawman #4 in 1 thread. Rip .

Anyway, I quoted the context of the scenario, a kek saying does not add to the quoted section in any way, left in or not. I mean I can put it in if you so wish lol. The logic was still flawed. He replaced a section with all fallacy and made statements explaining the reasoning. Whether he used an old saying or not to do so is really irrelevant to the flawed argument he was making 1 of 4 or 5 of the night.

I just want to see if there is any decent thought process to the original quoted post. I questioned his logic, followed by another illogical response, questioned, followed by another illogical response and so on. Eventually I may get a logical response.

Beside that, did you think the key to stopping someone arguing logical errors was using a strawman in the second sentence? That in itself doesn't make sense either but seeing as how you want me to stop that implies you don't want to argue that but we will see. They usually do end up wanting to argue it.

Especially someone where every time they post in the same thread they find a way to attempt to argue against me. Had I been launching toxic baseless and logically incorrect statements at 2 people I would have still been "in the wrong". No matter which person I was in this thread you were most likely bound to argue against me if you posted. Again, the cons of having a bias when you argue. It weakens your points.

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 11:49 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Ravenlute at 11:58 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:32 PM - Tue May 23 2017

So you know what that implies correct? It implies that you are used to being told your logic is inherently flawed which is probably a sign of something you should work on.

Posted By Freeman at 11:05 PM - Tue May 23 2017

A wise internet man once told me that a person who says "fallacy" more than twice a post has nothing interesting to say. That's why I scan every post I see and ignore any post that contains it once

Your logic here is also lacking. "More than twice a post has nothing interesting to say" then next sentence you say "ignore any post that contains it ONCE. So if I humor the example, if a wise internet man says fallacy MORE THAN twice has nothing interesting to say. It implies that one or 2 uses is okay by specifying MORE than 2. So even in your own example you ignore wise advice and take your own route limiting it to 0 uses of the term.

I'm sorry that all of your arguments so far are flawed in their core logic but I am not the one who can correct them for you.

Oh, come on Takeda, it was a joke. Then you purposefully removed the punch line of the joke, "Better safe than sorry," so that you could try to create an argument about logic? Put it to rest already.

"purposefully removed the punch line of the joke, "Better safe than sorry," so that you could try to create an argument about logic"

Strawman #4 in 1 thread. Rip .

Anyway, I quoted the context of the scenario, a kek saying does not add to the quoted section in any way, left in or not. I mean I can put it in if you so wish lol. The logic was still flawed. He replaced a section with all fallacy and made statements explaining the reasoning. Whether he used an old saying or not to do so is really irrelevant to the flawed argument he was making 1 of 4 or 5 of the night.

I just want to see if there is any decent thought process to the original quoted post. I questioned his logic, followed by another illogical response, questioned, followed by another illogical response and so on. Eventually I may get a logical response.

Beside that, did you think the key to stopping someone arguing logical errors was using a strawman in the second sentence? That in itself doesn't make sense either but seeing as how you want me to stop that implies you don't want to argue that but we will see. They usually do end up wanting to argue it.

Here. Just go back and replace all your posts with this, buddy. It'll be far more meaningful and far less whiny.

Honestly, I can't tell if you're an alien who has only learned to interact with humanity through watching a high school debate or a deeply disturbed android trying to figure out nonlinear thought processes.

But hey, as long as we're Official Internet Debating, are the judging awarding points for most drunk? Because at this point, I feel like that's me, even if you're clearly way more impaired.

Freeman - 3 months ago

You don't need to be a bastion of rationality to objectively look at things without alternative reasonings/motives

So, first off, lol.

Fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy.

A wise internet man once told me that a person who says "fallacy" more than twice a post has nothing interesting to say. That's why I scan every post I see and ignore any post that contains it once. Better safe than sorry.

Shriyk - 3 months ago

Id say most of the community was in fact surprised. I don't believe anything other than a surprise was promised for week for thus SBS 100% delivered on the promise.

I am however curious what the back up would have been had SBS run into technical difficulties and been unable to complete the large work load required for this feature to work correctly.

RedDoggybone - 3 months ago
@Shriyk:

Posted By Shriyk at 10:43 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Id say most of the community was in fact surprised. I don't believe anything other than a surprise was promised for week for thus SBS 100% delivered on the promise.

I am however curious what the back up would have been had SBS run into technical difficulties and been unable to complete the large work load required for this feature to work correctly.

It has crossed my mind this was the back up. :)

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

You don't need to be a bastion of rationality to objectively look at things without alternative reasonings/motives. You just need to objective look at it lol. I'm not sure how else to put it.

  • This reaction was an avoidable mistake for a couple of key reasons listed before.

That is an objective statement lacking anything other that. Based on previous announcements and community reactions coupled with basic knowledge I would go forward to call it a fact.

Instead of arguing the argument you are trying to attack my personal motive for making the argument which I believe is also a fallacy. Not only that, you are making up my reason for the post and arguing that which is ANOTHER fallacy.

So not only is your OP illogical your arguments to my argument are by fallacy definition errors in reasoning/logic.

Also there is a clear line between a negative post and toxicity. Vucar has argued against me and others plenty of times. Everyone active here has. The key difference is staying objectively focused on the topic at hand which you are not. Like I said, instead of arguing the argument you went on personal attacks of how I could dare come to post something like that. Now had you came at me outlining why my post was incorrect in a objective manner it wouldn't have been toxic. When you bring up the assumptions about me, name-calling, and insults that is when you become toxic because you have failed to keep your argument on subject and moved in for personal attacks. Reminder: It's also a fallacy.

Loyheta - 3 months ago

Really all of this was just a mix of everyone getting excited and hyping features we could all benefit from, and SBS not quelling the hype. If they said "Surprise we are putting up gifting today!" I would have been just as excited. They really shouldn't have been so hush hush about a feature for a small portion of the playerbase.

That aside, thanks SBS. I really was looking forward to this.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

@freeman, How is pointing out flawed reasoning beside myself? There wasn't a second motive your trying to find, I am pretty black and white. I called it illogical because that is what it is. Not for any alternative reasoning or motive.

Pinning self control as the blame when others intentionally or unintentionally lead you on or catalyze a certain reaction is just incorrect. Idk how else to say it. I'm not calling your argument because you said "do a different thing". I'm calling your argument because it is wrong. Read my other posts, I call false arguments whether they agree with me or not. You can agree with me 100% and use a bad argument and I'm gonna call you on it.

"Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses"

Again, black and white. What you read is what you get and you did not read that in my post so that is not what you got. I stated a simple fact...to please one group is to not please the other. That's basic. Basic to a point if I drive to an elementary school they will get it.

You are also using fallacies implying something that wasn't said and is incorrect.

"I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute."

I'm quite over it, the minute I hit the last sentence I was over it. Being over it doesn't mean you cannot review and state the reason something failed. Just as after a game you review the tapes of your failed plays. Being "over it" is irrelevant to the reason of you stating the reasoning for why it preformed poorly. My exact thought process reading it was, "welp", then I went to go play LoL....

Then I came back, thought about why it did poorly, went on discord gathered intel, looked at the other responses and wrote what went wrong as I do with most of my posts whether I care or not. Such as the EP store, land selection, taxes, etc. At the end of the day if those hadn't changed I wouldn't have cared less, my care does not mean I don't state flaws. If you want I can't state the flaws in a vegan diet which neither of us probably give two shits about. Just like this argument to be honest. I couldn't care less about the point your getting at, just calling the flawed logic cas it amuses me.

Having an objective net con and net pro outlook on anything let's you clearly assess situations without emotion or bias. It's nice and I rather it over just commenting on what I love or hate as those are clear bias that cas irrational perception and can lead to you only associating with a faction of people. Me being objectively critical on things I like, hate and don't care about keeps me open.

Now I'm sorry that you tried to read between non-existant lines to get some bigger meaning of what I was trying to be or trying to say but it just led to you being more incorrect than you were originally.

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:52 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@freeman, How is pointing out flawed reasoning beside myself? There wasn't a second motive your trying to find, I am pretty black and white. I called it illogical because that is what it is. Not for any alternative reasoning or motive.

Pinning self control as the blame when others intentionally or unintentionally lead you on or catalyze a certain reaction is just incorrect. Idk how else to say it. I'm not calling your argument because you said "do a different thing". I'm calling your argument because it is wrong. Read my other posts, I call false arguments whether they agree with me or not. You can agree with me 100% and use a bad argument and I'm gonna call you on it.

"Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses"

Again, black and white. What you read is what you get and you did not read that in my post so that is not what you got. I stated a simple fact...to please one group is to not please the other. That's basic. Basic to a point if I drive to an elementary school they will get it.

You are also using fallacies implying something that wasn't said and is incorrect.

"I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute."

I'm quite over it, the minute I hit the last sentence I was over it. Being over it doesn't mean you cannot review and state the reason something failed. Just as after a game you review the tapes of your failed plays. Being "over it" is irrelevant to the reason of you stating the reasoning for why it preformed poorly. My exact thought process reading it was, "welp", then I went to go play LoL....

Then I came back, thought about why it did poorly, went on discord gathered intel, looked at the other responses and wrote what went wrong as I do with most of my posts whether I care or not. Such as the EP store, land selection, taxes, etc. At the end of the day if those hadn't changed I wouldn't have cared less, my care does not mean I don't state flaws. If you want I can't state the flaws in a vegan diet which neither of us probably give two shits about. Just like this argument to be honest. I couldn't care less about the point your getting at, just calling the flawed logic cas it amuses me.

Having an objective net con and net pro outlook on anything let's you clearly assess situations without emotion or bias. It's nice and I rather it over just commenting on what I love or hate as those are clear bias that cas irrational perception and can lead to you only associating with a faction of people. Me being objectively critical on things I like, hate and don't care about keeps me open.

Now I'm sorry that you tried to read between non-existant lines to get some bigger meaning of what I was trying to be or trying to say but it just led to you being more incorrect than you were originally.

Yeah, bro. You're a bastion of rationality.

Oh, and Vucar... lol? If "take a breather and go outside" is "venomous" and "toxic," what are you exactly? Because, now that we're talking about it, I've never actually seen you post something positive. Maybe it's because I only look at news threads, and maybe news upsets you for some reason, but as far as I can tell, you're the biggest purveyor of doom and gloom on the forums.

RedDoggybone - 3 months ago
@Freeman:

Posted By Freeman at 10:07 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:52 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@freeman, How is pointing out flawed reasoning beside myself? There wasn't a second motive your trying to find, I am pretty black and white. I called it illogical because that is what it is. Not for any alternative reasoning or motive.

Pinning self control as the blame when others intentionally or unintentionally lead you on or catalyze a certain reaction is just incorrect. Idk how else to say it. I'm not calling your argument because you said "do a different thing". I'm calling your argument because it is wrong. Read my other posts, I call false arguments whether they agree with me or not. You can agree with me 100% and use a bad argument and I'm gonna call you on it.

"Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses"

Again, black and white. What you read is what you get and you did not read that in my post so that is not what you got. I stated a simple fact...to please one group is to not please the other. That's basic. Basic to a point if I drive to an elementary school they will get it.

You are also using fallacies implying something that wasn't said and is incorrect.

"I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute."

I'm quite over it, the minute I hit the last sentence I was over it. Being over it doesn't mean you cannot review and state the reason something failed. Just as after a game you review the tapes of your failed plays. Being "over it" is irrelevant to the reason of you stating the reasoning for why it preformed poorly. My exact thought process reading it was, "welp", then I went to go play LoL....

Then I came back, thought about why it did poorly, went on discord gathered intel, looked at the other responses and wrote what went wrong as I do with most of my posts whether I care or not. Such as the EP store, land selection, taxes, etc. At the end of the day if those hadn't changed I wouldn't have cared less, my care does not mean I don't state flaws. If you want I can't state the flaws in a vegan diet which neither of us probably give two shits about. Just like this argument to be honest. I couldn't care less about the point your getting at, just calling the flawed logic cas it amuses me.

Having an objective net con and net pro outlook on anything let's you clearly assess situations without emotion or bias. It's nice and I rather it over just commenting on what I love or hate as those are clear bias that cas irrational perception and can lead to you only associating with a faction of people. Me being objectively critical on things I like, hate and don't care about keeps me open.

Now I'm sorry that you tried to read between non-existant lines to get some bigger meaning of what I was trying to be or trying to say but it just led to you being more incorrect than you were originally.

Yeah, bro. You're a bastion of rationality.

Oh, and Vucar... lol? If "take a breather and go outside" is "venomous" and "toxic," what are you exactly? Because, now that we're talking about it, I've never actually seen you post something positive. Maybe it's because I only look at news threads, and maybe news upsets you for some reason, but as far as I can tell, you're the biggest purveyor of doom and gloom on the forums.

Haha time to make the pop corn. Have at it boys!

Kyxsune - 3 months ago
@RedDoggybone:

Posted By RedDoggybone at 10:09 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Freeman at 10:07 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:52 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@freeman, How is pointing out flawed reasoning beside myself? There wasn't a second motive your trying to find, I am pretty black and white. I called it illogical because that is what it is. Not for any alternative reasoning or motive.

Pinning self control as the blame when others intentionally or unintentionally lead you on or catalyze a certain reaction is just incorrect. Idk how else to say it. I'm not calling your argument because you said "do a different thing". I'm calling your argument because it is wrong. Read my other posts, I call false arguments whether they agree with me or not. You can agree with me 100% and use a bad argument and I'm gonna call you on it.

"Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses"

Again, black and white. What you read is what you get and you did not read that in my post so that is not what you got. I stated a simple fact...to please one group is to not please the other. That's basic. Basic to a point if I drive to an elementary school they will get it.

You are also using fallacies implying something that wasn't said and is incorrect.

"I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute."

I'm quite over it, the minute I hit the last sentence I was over it. Being over it doesn't mean you cannot review and state the reason something failed. Just as after a game you review the tapes of your failed plays. Being "over it" is irrelevant to the reason of you stating the reasoning for why it preformed poorly. My exact thought process reading it was, "welp", then I went to go play LoL....

Then I came back, thought about why it did poorly, went on discord gathered intel, looked at the other responses and wrote what went wrong as I do with most of my posts whether I care or not. Such as the EP store, land selection, taxes, etc. At the end of the day if those hadn't changed I wouldn't have cared less, my care does not mean I don't state flaws. If you want I can't state the flaws in a vegan diet which neither of us probably give two shits about. Just like this argument to be honest. I couldn't care less about the point your getting at, just calling the flawed logic cas it amuses me.

Having an objective net con and net pro outlook on anything let's you clearly assess situations without emotion or bias. It's nice and I rather it over just commenting on what I love or hate as those are clear bias that cas irrational perception and can lead to you only associating with a faction of people. Me being objectively critical on things I like, hate and don't care about keeps me open.

Now I'm sorry that you tried to read between non-existant lines to get some bigger meaning of what I was trying to be or trying to say but it just led to you being more incorrect than you were originally.

Yeah, bro. You're a bastion of rationality.

Oh, and Vucar... lol? If "take a breather and go outside" is "venomous" and "toxic," what are you exactly? Because, now that we're talking about it, I've never actually seen you post something positive. Maybe it's because I only look at news threads, and maybe news upsets you for some reason, but as far as I can tell, you're the biggest purveyor of doom and gloom on the forums.

Haha time to make the pop corn. Have at it boys!

Do we have a bookie yet?

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Kyxsune:

Posted By Kyxsune at 9:11 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By RedDoggybone at 10:09 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Freeman at 10:07 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:52 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@freeman, How is pointing out flawed reasoning beside myself? There wasn't a second motive your trying to find, I am pretty black and white. I called it illogical because that is what it is. Not for any alternative reasoning or motive.

Pinning self control as the blame when others intentionally or unintentionally lead you on or catalyze a certain reaction is just incorrect. Idk how else to say it. I'm not calling your argument because you said "do a different thing". I'm calling your argument because it is wrong. Read my other posts, I call false arguments whether they agree with me or not. You can agree with me 100% and use a bad argument and I'm gonna call you on it.

"Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses"

Again, black and white. What you read is what you get and you did not read that in my post so that is not what you got. I stated a simple fact...to please one group is to not please the other. That's basic. Basic to a point if I drive to an elementary school they will get it.

You are also using fallacies implying something that wasn't said and is incorrect.

"I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute."

I'm quite over it, the minute I hit the last sentence I was over it. Being over it doesn't mean you cannot review and state the reason something failed. Just as after a game you review the tapes of your failed plays. Being "over it" is irrelevant to the reason of you stating the reasoning for why it preformed poorly. My exact thought process reading it was, "welp", then I went to go play LoL....

Then I came back, thought about why it did poorly, went on discord gathered intel, looked at the other responses and wrote what went wrong as I do with most of my posts whether I care or not. Such as the EP store, land selection, taxes, etc. At the end of the day if those hadn't changed I wouldn't have cared less, my care does not mean I don't state flaws. If you want I can't state the flaws in a vegan diet which neither of us probably give two shits about. Just like this argument to be honest. I couldn't care less about the point your getting at, just calling the flawed logic cas it amuses me.

Having an objective net con and net pro outlook on anything let's you clearly assess situations without emotion or bias. It's nice and I rather it over just commenting on what I love or hate as those are clear bias that cas irrational perception and can lead to you only associating with a faction of people. Me being objectively critical on things I like, hate and don't care about keeps me open.

Now I'm sorry that you tried to read between non-existant lines to get some bigger meaning of what I was trying to be or trying to say but it just led to you being more incorrect than you were originally.

Yeah, bro. You're a bastion of rationality.

Oh, and Vucar... lol? If "take a breather and go outside" is "venomous" and "toxic," what are you exactly? Because, now that we're talking about it, I've never actually seen you post something positive. Maybe it's because I only look at news threads, and maybe news upsets you for some reason, but as far as I can tell, you're the biggest purveyor of doom and gloom on the forums.

Haha time to make the pop corn. Have at it boys!

Do we have a bookie yet?

Dons obviously fake mustache

Step right up, folks! Amazing odds! Don't think twice, just say a name and give me your money! I will not, repeat, will not abscond with it, cackling! There will be no cackling! Light chuckling at most!

Loyheta - 3 months ago

Thank you. My gf was waiting for my package xD

Dleatherus - 3 months ago
@Loyheta:

Posted By Loyheta at 6:48 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Thank you. My gf was waiting for my package xD

i bet she was :P

CerebralDaemon - 3 months ago
@Dleatherus:

Posted By Dleatherus at 9:51 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Loyheta at 6:48 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Thank you. My gf was waiting for my package xD

i bet she was :P

My God, what have I just read...

Loyheta - 3 months ago
@CerebralDaemon:

Posted By CerebralDaemon at 7:04 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Dleatherus at 9:51 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Loyheta at 6:48 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Thank you. My gf was waiting for my package xD

i bet she was :P

My God, what have I just read...

Me using the easiest joke (albeit true (carriage for two that is)) that this game has ever set up.

RedDoggybone - 3 months ago

I just think that people were hoping for an announcement of some sort that maybe didn't involve us spending more money. I understand the reasoning for the order they were presented but the first weeks announcement of the free gifts would have been far better suited as the surprise for the 4th week. I wasn't surprised that the last weeks announcement was something like this because it was following on the theme of promoting more sales from the store. But I too must admit my reaction was one of disappointment. Weeks 3 and 4's announcements mean nothing at all to me. I would rather spend any more money I have to spend on IP.

Overall in my opinion, the celebration was just a tad bit "store-centric." Especially since we don't have a full list of things to buy and how much they will cost. Something that has seriously dampened my enthusiasm for buying more IP. I can't justify doing it if I don't know what it is.

And a little bit worrisome. I say a little bit because we were told no more money was needed from the fan base to make the game. Promoting sales in the store like they did this last month I am afraid puts into my head why are they doing that? Until this, the financial hasn't much popped into my head.

While my sentiment isn't as strong as Sunny River's I have to admit it was a little disheartening to see you guys promoting all the things we can buy and fashioning it like it was a reward for us to be allowed to do so. It may very well be that it was your intention to reward us with the sales and contests but that is not the impression I or apparently some other fans got.

Nid - 3 months ago

I, for one, am very excited about gifting being a thing now.
I can now get the folks involved who I bought a package for!

It's a bummer that the complimentary packages given to us at the start of the sale aren't available to gift/merge but I suppose that makes sense so long as they're added pretty soon after the sale ends.

Vancelent - 3 months ago

If you expect the worst you will never be disappointed. This isn't the worst. It's nothing really new since we could simply make accounts and hand them off, but it's a quality of life improvement. I can live with that.

Kurko - 3 months ago

Expected nothing and got it ;)

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@Kurko:

Posted By Kurko at 9:23 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Expected nothing and got it ;)

Genius plan! I also got something out of it. A discord talk led to a brilliant DE idea that wouldn't have happened otherwise so WE won. I say WE because we are all gonna enjoy them together once it's in game. dw. I got this. It's the brewmaster DE btw.

CheshireGuevara - 3 months ago

Me? I'm disappointed. Not mad or anything. I just don't feel like this was hype worthy.

Gifting is an important feature, but it is also an incredibly dull one. It's like getting a pair of underwear for your birthday. I'm not about to jump out of my seat and hug the devs over this.

That being said, this isn't something to get crazy mad over either. It's an important update, important and underwhelming.

Kyxsune - 3 months ago

Am I disappointed? Yes. Am I entitled to more? No. Did i perhaps overextend my expectations? Yes.

A logical analysis of the situation does little to fill the large hollow my expectations left, that void is filled with disappointment.

Is this SBS's fault, No.

At the end of the day, I was just to involved. Need to take a step back and supress my expectations more.

Time to take a break, until the emotional distance is appropriate.

Gunghoe - 3 months ago
@Kyxsune:

Posted By Kyxsune at 9:16 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Am I disappointed? Yes. Am I entitled to more? No. Did i perhaps overextend my expectations? Yes.

A logical analysis of the situation does little to fill the large hollow my expectations left, that void is filled with disappointment.

Is this SBS's fault, No.

At the end of the day, I was just to involved. Need to take a step back and supress my expectations more.

Time to take a break, until the emotional distance is appropriate.

The disappointment is SBS fault, If it was any other company they wouldn't hype a feature like this that is expected to come soon-ish. When you say something secret, you are just building a hype train for something that should be able to hold it's water,

They could have said we might be able to have the user gifting ability soon after the 3 promotions. When they announced the 3 promotions. That leaves everyone suspecting the time frame it would come out, and it would have been a win if it came the following week. However they said a special surprise, And this is hardly worth 3 weeks of build up.

They where not doomed if they do or doomed if they don't they could have just said this feature is coming soon after the promotions.

MeltedWater - 3 months ago

Sorry to voice my opinion but, uh...

That's pretty lame. Lol

Sunny River - 3 months ago

Hey Communyti suprise here is an other way to give us your Money. Jeahh forget what you hoped to hook up your friends. You dont need an Demo to Show them how cool the game is. Just buy it for them. Remeber one year ago how we get your money? Well we will celebreat it this Month again an take a lot of money again. Thank you Guys im sorry to be Like this but this it how it feels. At least you could gived us tribe Infos or an half finished Demo.

Vairly - 3 months ago

Useless feature. I completely agree with Summourn and Bur.

R3gis - 3 months ago

Yeah, the gifting feature was missing and thank you for bringing it out before the end of 10% off promotion.

As a late backer, I've lost most of the free stuff given to kickstarters; unfortunately I don't believe I will ever buy one of the gift packages because I have been milked of all my savings already.

I believe many in the community will take this opportunity for getting their friends closer to CoE, though.

Stupid question.. Can I gift souls/sparks of life? I have got many of them..

Count_Emiya - 3 months ago
@R3gis:

Posted By R3gis at 8:07 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Yeah, the gifting feature was missing and thank you for bringing it out before the end of 10% off promotion.

As a late backer, I've lost most of the free stuff given to kickstarters; unfortunately I don't believe I will ever buy one of the gift packages because I have been milked of all my savings already.

I believe many in the community will take this opportunity for getting their friends closer to CoE, though.

Stupid question.. Can I gift souls/sparks of life? I have got many of them..

Seems like most things but EP will be giftable at some point, EP was a definite no according to Vye.

Freeman - 3 months ago

I think the biggest problem here is you guys were let down because your own hype and now you have to blame an external source to avoid recognizing the fact that the disappointment you feel is your own stupid fault.

To everyone currently whining like Caspian walked into your house and pissed on your wife: go outside or something. Play a videogame. The wait is so much more bearable if you limit the amount of shits you give.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@Freeman:

Posted By Freeman at 9:07 PM - Tue May 23 2017

I think the biggest problem here is you guys were let down because your own hype and now you have to blame an external source to avoid recognizing the fact that the disappointment you feel is your own stupid fault.

That argument is quite illogical as any emotion or anything you do is your own fault yet we still ethically and legally can hold others accountable.

Emotions are yours but what others do to catalyze the reactions are not. It's a neat and great feature but was released in bad context and delivery causing this problem. I 100% GURANTEE you had this been a regular announcement and not a 1month long waiting suprise it woulda got so much love because it's a good feature. Just a minority feature that can't compete with the other hinted features coming "soon" that may have been in it's place as a surprise.

Whenever you tell a group of people they will get something but when it comes only 5% can use you will get a bad reaction. It's just how things works on this planet. Please the 5% and your not pleasing the 95%.

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:11 PM - Tue May 23 2017

That argument is quite illogical as any emotion or anything you do is your own fault yet we still ethically and legally can hold others accountable.

Ah yes, quite illogical. There you are, beside yourself because you didn't get something that was never promised in the first place, and me saying, "Go do a different thing instead," is "illogical."

Emotions are yours but what others do to catalyze the reactions are not. It's a neat and great feature but was released in bad context and delivery causing this problem. I 100% GURANTEE you had this been a regular announcement and not a 1month long waiting suprise it woulda got so much love because it's a good feature. Just a minority feature that can't compete with the other hinted features coming "soon" that may have been in it's place as a surprise.

Why do you give a fuck?

Whenever you tell a group of people they will get something but when it comes only 5% can use you will get a bad reaction. It's just how things works on this planet. Please the 5% and your not pleasing the 95%.

So we're dipping into sociology to justify the fact that you're pissy because Soulbound isn't coming over to your house to give you a full-body rubdown?

You know, I've seen you moan all over the forums, and I can't help but think you'd be happier doing anything else.

Look, dude, this shit doesn't matter. I've spent almost an entire months grocery budget on this game, and if it were to fold tomorrow, I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute. Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses when a sale announcement for a game that doesn't even exist yet isn't what you expected. I've been trying to avoid saying it outright, but get a life, man.

Vucar - 3 months ago
@Freeman:

Posted By Freeman at 6:37 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 8:11 PM - Tue May 23 2017

That argument is quite illogical as any emotion or anything you do is your own fault yet we still ethically and legally can hold others accountable.

Ah yes, quite illogical. There you are, beside yourself because you didn't get something that was never promised in the first place, and me saying, "Go do a different thing instead," is "illogical."

Emotions are yours but what others do to catalyze the reactions are not. It's a neat and great feature but was released in bad context and delivery causing this problem. I 100% GURANTEE you had this been a regular announcement and not a 1month long waiting suprise it woulda got so much love because it's a good feature. Just a minority feature that can't compete with the other hinted features coming "soon" that may have been in it's place as a surprise.

Why do you give a fuck?

Whenever you tell a group of people they will get something but when it comes only 5% can use you will get a bad reaction. It's just how things works on this planet. Please the 5% and your not pleasing the 95%.

So we're dipping into sociology to justify the fact that you're pissy because Soulbound isn't coming over to your house to give you a full-body rubdown?

You know, I've seen you moan all over the forums, and I can't help but think you'd be happier doing anything else.

Look, dude, this shit doesn't matter. I've spent almost an entire months grocery budget on this game, and if it were to fold tomorrow, I'd only be disappointed for, like, a whole minute. Stop acting like you're part of the oppressed proletariat masses when a sale announcement for a game that doesn't even exist yet isn't what you expected. I've been trying to avoid saying it outright, but get a life, man.

Wow.

This is not the first time you made such a venomous, unproductive post. I think you're one of the most toxic people in this community.

I can't say i've ever seen someone banned from this forum for just being that toxic, but you've got to be well on your way by now...

Kaeleron - 3 months ago

Woo Gifting . . . Time to get friends hooked on Elyria.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

Saying to the whole community week 4 is a suprise for YOU and then releasing something a minority uses just wasn't the best idea imho.

Bur - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

@Takeda_Shinukage, I personally agree with you. I think the mistake made here was hyping this feature up as a "surprise". While I personally don't care one way or the other I can see why people were upset. I mean I have no intention of using this feature, nor do I have the extra cash to. As such this feature has nothing to do with me at all, just as you stated. Gifting will only effect a few people who have the extra funds to do so, so why hype it up for everyone? Especially when so many people were assuming it was going to be more content.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

@Maulvorn, I'm glad you like it but I judging from all the different discords, initial dislike stampedes, and posts on this thread and other thread posts that just popped up it did. Especially comparatively to their other posts. Even the EP store thing did better, while it caused a scuffle the overall reaction was highly positive after the clarification.

The main thing of my whole post is my point #1. It only affects a group of people. People who aren't gifting are being let down. It's just that. I may be wrong but compared to the 100k+ accounts on the forum I doubt gifters take up over 50k when total package buyers dont....This means the BIG REVEAL was something only a minority can use.

MeltedWater - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 7:22 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@Maulvorn, I'm glad you like it but I judging from all the different discords, initial dislike stampedes, and posts on this thread and other thread posts that just popped up it did. Especially comparatively to their other posts. Even the EP store thing did better, while it caused a scuffle the overall reaction was highly positive after the clarification.

The main thing of my whole post is my point #1. It only affects a group of people. People who aren't gifting are being let down. It's just that. I may be wrong but compared to the 100k+ accounts on the forum I doubt gifters take up over 50k when total package buyers dont....This means the BIG REVEAL was something only a minority can use.

You are drastically overestimating how many people this will affect. I'd be surprised if even 100 people used it. We are not only talking about people gifting ENTIRE packages (already extremely small) but also including recipients who are willing and able to make use of the 10% discount the next 8 days. Whoopdie doo lol. Do you realize how SMALL that number actually is?

For the record, the only reason Vye's original post has so many upvotes is people feeling sorry for her and SBS and supporting them, but NOT supporting the topic itself. People just take pity and feel sorry that you made such a bad market play; nobody actually things it's good. Lol

I personally held off spending more money until now, and now I just feel as if I won't even spend more, no reason to. Tokens were a huge disappointment as well, but that's another story.

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago
@MeltedWater:

Posted By MeltedWater at 06:40 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 7:22 PM - Tue May 23 2017

@Maulvorn, I'm glad you like it but I judging from all the different discords, initial dislike stampedes, and posts on this thread and other thread posts that just popped up it did. Especially comparatively to their other posts. Even the EP store thing did better, while it caused a scuffle the overall reaction was highly positive after the clarification.

The main thing of my whole post is my point #1. It only affects a group of people. People who aren't gifting are being let down. It's just that. I may be wrong but compared to the 100k+ accounts on the forum I doubt gifters take up over 50k when total package buyers dont....This means the BIG REVEAL was something only a minority can use.

You are drastically overestimating how many people this will affect. I'd be surprised if even 100 people used it. We are not only talking about people gifting ENTIRE packages (already extremely small) but also including recipients who are willing and able to make use of the 10% discount the next 8 days. Whoopdie doo lol. Do you realize how SMALL that number actually is?

For the record, the only reason Vye's original post has so many upvotes is people feeling sorry for her and SBS and supporting them, but NOT supporting the topic itself. People just take pity and feel sorry that you made such a bad market play; nobody actually things it's good. Lol

I personally held off spending more money until now, and now I just feel as if I won't even spend more, no reason to. Tokens were a huge disappointment as well, but that's another story.

tired af didnt read, my bad

Takeda_Shinukage - 3 months ago

Posted By Caspian at 7:35 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

You weren't doomed though. Their are specific reasons this failed, hard work doesn't equate to expectations and hype. It never does and never will. Not saying that this isn't great and will be used, I'm not saying that at all. If I wanted to gift, this would be perfect for me and I would love this surprise, it is a nice feature to have,

tl;dr at the bottom with overall of my 3 points. the paragraphs are just context and explanation to the bottom tl;dr.

  1. gifting only affects certain groups. People like me will not use the gifting system. Especially since IP is not given to that player as the only reason if I were to gift I would gift my officer a city but if he has 0 IP it's kinda pointless being last pick. So your susprise leaves out an entire population of people that are A. Playing solo, B. Maxed out their budget on their package, C. Plans to spend their remaining CoE funds on EP and D. Just can't afford a gift. To us it feels like this: It's your birthday and your mom gives you a present for your brother and then just says happy birthday to you. How much money she spent (or in your case work and effort) is ultimately irrelevant. The title sums up how it feels to us. "It's the thought".

  2. You guys saw the thread with week 4 guesses because caeltoiri posted in it. When you have people guessing things that are clearly out of scope AND you fail to correct them you are doomed. If I got someone $50 bucks for their birthday and they were hyping about getting a gaming console in the next room I would need to shut that down or allow what happened to this post to happen.

  3. None of your date are known and your only release schedule is about 6 months+ old that is copy pasted by other players and not available for public official use while another update you made contradicts the old release schedule. What this does is tells players ANYTHING could be the suprise. It could be server selection, land selection, EP Store, MuD, Prologue, V3.0. Literally anything except Beta 1 forward is on the table. When you have that much exciting content as possibilities and then you hit us with a mechanic that hasn't been talked about much at all and doesn't even effect some of us out there your going to fail the hype.

tl;dr

So overall your announcement would have not failed if:

  1. It had the potential to affect all members on the forums not a group of people with excess $$$. Seems like more cash first behavior. Especially not good following the EP store drama.

  2. It was not competing with EP Store, 3.0 and land selection for hype cas it's gonna lose. Not much except pre-alpha/alpha testing or exposition can contest those for hype, it's just not gonna happen so you need to make it clear what it ISNT.

  3. We had a more official central located and up to date timeline to make educated guesses of what it might be but MORE importantly, what it WASNT.

Maulvorn - 3 months ago
@Takeda_Shinukage:

Posted By Takeda_Shinukage at 01:12 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By Caspian at 7:35 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

You weren't doomed though. Their are specific reasons this failed, hard work doesn't equate to expectations and hype. It never does and never will. Not saying that this isn't great and will be used, I'm not saying that at all. If I wanted to gift, this would be perfect for me and I would love this surprise, it is a nice feature to have,

tl;dr at the bottom with overall of my 3 points. the paragraphs are just context and explanation to the bottom tl;dr.

  1. gifting only affects certain groups. People like me will not use the gifting system. Especially since IP is not given to that player as the only reason if I were to gift I would gift my officer a city but if he has 0 IP it's kinda pointless being last pick. So your susprise leaves out an entire population of people that are A. Playing solo, B. Maxed out their budget on their package, C. Plans to spend their remaining CoE funds on EP and D. Just can't afford a gift. To us it feels like this: It's your birthday and your mom gives you a present for your brother and then just says happy birthday to you. How much money she spent (or in your case work and effort) is ultimately irrelevant. The title sums up how it feels to us. "It's the thought".

  2. You guys saw the thread with week 4 guesses because caeltoiri posted in it. When you have people guessing things that are clearly out of scope AND you fail to correct them you are doomed. If I got someone $50 bucks for their birthday and they were hyping about getting a gaming console in the next room I would need to shut that down or allow what happened to this post to happen.

  3. None of your date are known and your only release schedule is about 6 months+ old that is copy pasted by other players and not available for public official use while another update you made contradicts the old release schedule. What this does is tells players ANYTHING could be the suprise. It could be server selection, land selection, EP Store, MuD, Prologue, V3.0. Literally anything except Beta 1 forward is on the table. When you have that much exciting content as possibilities and then you hit us with a mechanic that hasn't been talked about much at all and doesn't even effect some of us out there your going to fail the hype.

tl;dr

So overall your announcement would have not failed if:

  1. It had the potential to affect all members on the forums not a group of people with excess $$$. Seems like more cash first behavior. Especially not good following the EP store drama.

  2. Was not competing with EP Store, 3.0 and land selection for hype cas it's gonna lose.

  3. We had a more official central located and up to date timeline to make educated guesses of what it might be but MORE importantly, what it WASNT.

I don't believe it failed.

coach - 3 months ago

My money was on the map reveal and land selection schedule along with website 3.0

Missed that one by TTHHHHIIIISSSS much lol

Now that we know I have a question... can individual items we receive from our pledge packages be gifted ince we receive them in our accounts

Shrewdcrow - 3 months ago

Well I'm happy to see this feature and to know that the groundwork for what's to come is actually working. It may just be a gifting option now, but what the foundation built can do in the future is what the real surprise is.

Salty_Joe - 3 months ago

Isn't there a tribe DJ coming out soon? I'll just take that as my "surprise" especially if there's a map of some sort 😉

MisterTuggles - 3 months ago

I'm Mister Tuggles.

I like chocolate chip cookies.

Erynn_Crystalmir - 3 months ago

All the hard work you guys put into making this game become a reality is greatly appreciated, including your week four surprise! Whether or not the weekly events have been something I could use or take advantage of or not, I have enjoyed seeing the progression of things to come which for me generates more excitement for when we can start playing CoE.

Thank you Caspian, Vye and the rest of the crew. Your efforts are always appreciated, please don't lose heart.

Ecir_Edyah - 3 months ago

I wanna try it out!

Newcomers who haven't bought in yet, help me help you!

https://chroniclesofelyria.com/forum/topic/19669/win-an-elyrian-package

HolyAvengerOne - 3 months ago

#quitwhinningandgrabanotherbeer

dada - 3 months ago
@HolyAvengerOne:

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 01:51 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Posted By dada at 7:48 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Imo, your tension-build-up maybe would have been more surprising, if you would´ve had the sequence of release differently. The token-contest would have been not only surprise-wise better at last, as far as i can look through. ;)

Anyhow, keep it up! Spread the love! <3

Well, Caspian said they put it last because of the amount of work involved, so I think that's pretty clear they couldn't do it otherwise.

So, i didn´t looked far enough. It´s ok, anyway. But, don´t expect people to be super excited about it. Principles of psychology might have forseen that. ;P

<3

Nitank - 3 months ago

Posted By Vye at

Doing Away With Layaway

Settlement & Domain Selection is on the horizon

Or "How to be vague without even trying"... That's literally literally a carrot on a stick since in MMO industry, something that's "on the horizon" is something that you know is coming but time-related, it's just being elusiv... Days/weeks/months even years, if i want to be stubborn is "on the horizon"....

Anyway... As mentioned before by others, having it to be a "surprise", was counter-productiv... Because, as people already said countless times, sure it is "kinda" nice, since it's useful (for those that can profit from it) but there was no matter of calling it a "surprise" and getting people hyped from even before the 1st week...
To be more "understandable", it's like saying to someone that he'll get a "surprise" at his birthday and when the day come, the "surprise" was to have a birthday cake made home... Sure it's nice to have such a thing but you can't really call it a "surprise"...

Anyway... i don't want to just be "the guy that spit into the soup" so i'll hope that SBS will encounter no difficulties during the pursue of development of this wonderful game and i wish you, nonetheless, a happy birthday ;)

Loyheta - 3 months ago

I asked the citizens of Kairos to come like this. To fight back the dislikers xD

Freeman - 3 months ago

PS: Y'all a bunch of babies.

Balaur - 3 months ago

Ill be honest, I fell on the hype train, to me this post was best described to me by a friend.

An 18 year old opens up birthday presents, 4 of them, each getting progressively better, great meaning behind each one. the fourth one is a set of car keys. The kid freaks out and runs outside to see what it is, but there's nothing out there.

Kid asks dad, "wheres my car?"

dad says "Oh there's no car, its just so you can put those on a key chain and look cool."

Initially I did down-vote as well, because it was being heralded as a surprise, and while it is a surprise of sorts (Removed my down-vote) Its not really the surprise im sure quite a few people were looking forward to, its not... content.

I understand the team worked hard on this and kudos to them, but this could have been probably stated as more "A new store function will be available" Because the way i see it its like yay we can now spend money on others to get this game.

While im sure there are some that want to gift this game to others and stuff, I do think this could have been labelled as something other than... a "surprise" Because I and a few of my community members were definitely thinking something different.

Anyways again, Great job to the team and I and my community really appreciate your hard work, just experience coming from Star Citizen and their wording blunders that led to a few outraged moments in the community.

summourn - 3 months ago

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

ShadowTani - 3 months ago
@summourn:

Personally I kinda expected this would be what the "surprise" where; predictable, but not disappointing. People expecting more at the moment are coming off damn spoiled to be blunt. Be more reasonable, cheeses...

Either way, thanks for this devs, I've been waiting for this feature. :3 Excited to hear that land selection is around the corner too!

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

summourn - 3 months ago
@ShadowTani:

I hope you are right about the way future systems will rely on these changes, I like to think that you are as I doubt the decision was arbitrary. As for marketing advantage, personally I don't see it, but I'm not in marketing so I wouldn't put much stock in my opinion on that. From my point of view without understanding the "why," it actually makes me think, "it was non trivial, there's an indeterminate budget and there was a reasonable workaround? Ok..."

Posted By ShadowTani at 9:03 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

ShadowTani - 3 months ago
@summourn:

Posted By summourn at 02:15 AM - Wed May 24 2017

I hope you are right about the way future systems will rely on these changes, I like to think that you are as I doubt the decision was arbitrary. As for marketing advantage, personally I don't see it, but I'm not in marketing so I wouldn't put much stock in my opinion on that. From my point of view without understanding the "why," it actually makes me think, "it was non trivial, there's an indeterminate budget and there was a reasonable workaround? Ok..."

Yeah, I can understand the reaction, which wasn't one of those I considered unreasonable. I come from a background in economics, so I wanted to reassure those that felt like you that it most likely wasn't arbitrary. Thankfully Vye confirmed it afterwards as well so I don't need to rely on my "chill, I'm in the biz" card entirely, lol.

Vye - 3 months ago
@ShadowTani:

Posted By ShadowTani at 5:03 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

Very astute! The Token Contribution feature is built on the Account Inventory system we are building. We expanded upon that same system for Gifting, and will expand on again for Account Merging, and other things that an account will "own" down the road. It's all about building things up, brick by brick!

HolyAvengerOne - 3 months ago
@Vye:

Posted By Vye at 8:09 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By ShadowTani at 5:03 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

Very astute! The Token Contribution feature is built on the Account Inventory system we are building. We expanded upon that same system for Gifting, and will expand on again for Account Merging, and other things that an account will "own" down the road. It's all about building things up, brick by brick!

Hey Vye, I'm glad for the feature and all, thanks a lot for this.

Maybe something that would help is if the account you're giving the package too would also get a flat 350 IP to at least allow for the referral bonus to kick in. As it stands, it is perceived as more valuable to get 10$ + 100 EP with the referral bonus (a value of 20$ for 36$ spent) vs. 360 IP with the gifting option (a value you can't measure for now).

Maybe sweeten the deal a little and we'll all me swimming in a pool of eternal bliss and gratefulness?? ;) :)

No matter what, thanks again, to you and the team!

HolyAvengerOne - 2 months ago
@HolyAvengerOne:

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 11:55 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Vye at 8:09 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By ShadowTani at 5:03 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

Very astute! The Token Contribution feature is built on the Account Inventory system we are building. We expanded upon that same system for Gifting, and will expand on again for Account Merging, and other things that an account will "own" down the road. It's all about building things up, brick by brick!

Hey Vye, I'm glad for the feature and all, thanks a lot for this.

Maybe something that would help is if the account you're giving the package too would also get a flat 350 IP to at least allow for the referral bonus to kick in. As it stands, it is perceived as more valuable to get 10$ + 100 EP with the referral bonus (a value of 20$ for 36$ spent) vs. 360 IP with the gifting option (a value you can't measure for now).

Maybe sweeten the deal a little and we'll all me swimming in a pool of eternal bliss and gratefulness?? ;) :)

No matter what, thanks again, to you and the team!

With the month drawing to an end, I guess this one's dead, eh? :(

Dareus - 3 months ago
@HolyAvengerOne:

Posted By HolyAvengerOne at 11:55 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hey Vye, I'm glad for the feature and all, thanks a lot for this.

Maybe something that would help is if the account you're giving the package too would also get a flat 350 IP to at least allow for the referral bonus to kick in. As it stands, it is perceived as more valuable to get 10$ + 100 EP with the referral bonus (a value of 20$ for 36$ spent) vs. 360 IP with the gifting option (a value you can't measure for now).

Maybe sweeten the deal a little and we'll all me swimming in a pool of eternal bliss and gratefulness?? ;) :)

No matter what, thanks again, to you and the team!

To be clear it isn't $10 + 100 EP, it is $10 + 10O influence, which is a $10 value.

summourn - 3 months ago
@Vye:

Very cool. But in my line of software development we call this, well, development. Not really something to hype.

Posted By Vye at 9:09 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By ShadowTani at 5:03 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By summourn at 01:49 AM - Wed May 24 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It's more convenient, which equals user friendliness, that again makes the product more accessible. From a marketing perspective such things are always worth it, and due to the "carriage for two" that they offered it was also necessary. I'm guessing part of that work on the gifting system was also related to the tokens and that this feature isn't going to be used solely for those and the pledge packages down the line.

Very astute! The Token Contribution feature is built on the Account Inventory system we are building. We expanded upon that same system for Gifting, and will expand on again for Account Merging, and other things that an account will "own" down the road. It's all about building things up, brick by brick!

HolyAvengerOne - 3 months ago
@summourn:

Posted By summourn at 7:49 PM - Tue May 23 2017

If it was seriously hard to implement this...was it worth the cost? I mean, how hard is it in most cases to give the gift of a pledge to friends or family the old fashioned way, giving cash, PayPal, making an account with the other person, etc.. just asking, seriously a good use of resources?

It is likely that functionality done towards that feature is also applicable to other things they need to get done, for further down the road.

dada - 3 months ago

Imo, your tension-build-up maybe would have been more surprising, if you would´ve had the sequence of release differently. The token-contest would have been not only surprise-wise better at last, as far as i can look through. ;)

Anyhow, keep it up! Spread the love! <3

HolyAvengerOne - 3 months ago
@dada:

Posted By dada at 7:48 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Imo, your tension-build-up maybe would have been more surprising, if you would´ve had the sequence of release differently. The token-contest would have been not only surprise-wise better at last, as far as i can look through. ;)

Anyhow, keep it up! Spread the love! <3

Well, Caspian said they put it last because of the amount of work involved, so I think that's pretty clear they couldn't do it otherwise.

ZeroCool - 3 months ago

I totally get that it would have been a shitoon of work to get this out there. But for me and I guess the majority it was a bit of a letdown.

I may be taking liberties, but I don't think gifting and merging is a feature for the masses and so yes, doomed to disappoint.

But seriously 3 out 4 ain't bad and it's not dampened my spirits too much, I'm sure I'll get over it in a day or two.

Keep up the good work and fight the good fight!

Kukufey - 3 months ago

So.... Where is the surprise?

Lo-Taren - 3 months ago

inaudable rabbling

Caspian - 3 months ago

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

Heartagram - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 12:35 AM - Wed May 24 2017

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

Conspiracy theory! I think they kept it as a secret because there was exposition store and website v3 planned but they could not deliver in time so we have gifting system instead! WHERE'S MY TIN FOIL HAT?!

DavanOrdanska - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 12:35 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

Not bothering again to read the massive 9 pages of responses, I am responding directly to this.

We all built up hype (myself included), we all imagined what it could have been and in our eyes we imagined a golden chariot running through the sky. Now we see that the chariot is not a god as we thought but a giant ball of flaming gas and we are disappointed, really what we should be saying is wow look at this amazing thing.

Now that I have slept on it and thought about it and read your response I have realised something. Yes its not what we imagined but damn its impressive.

Fellow elyrians' we should not be saying this is only gifting we should look at the dev team and how much hard work they are willing to go through to make things work and do what they hope is the best for us.

JaYo1259 - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 6:35 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

@Caspian: Although I was one of the people that was kind of disappointed (initially) about the reveal of week 4, it makes me think back to the days when my MeMa would tell us kids we were going to have ice cream for dessert, just for us to find out she was referring to rainbow sherbet. It was still great, and healthier, too, but we were still disappointed because of what we thought we were getting.

P.S. I am not in any way attempting to say that we on the forums were told we were receiving something that we did not receive.

VictoriaRachel - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 12:35 AM - Wed May 24 2017

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

But you did promise something! You promised a promotion. You promised one that was worth waiting for. You promised one that would be interesting and exciting. You used the word surprise and that has connotations.

If you are not sure something is going to work you keep it a secret you do not advertise it as a surprise. Very different concepts. The idea that this 'surprise' might not have even happened after you built hype about for a month is ludicrous. How you feel that would have been better than missing a deadline for a known feature is beyond me.

You were doomed to fail because you did not approach this in a way that made sense. You made it so you could not win, not the community.

Ironside - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 7:35 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

Everyone got caught up in the hype and let their imagination run away with them. Greatly appreciate all of the hard!

Elbereth - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 01:35 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

Greetings

We all know you're doing a very good job with this game and that you work very hard on it. However, I think you're missunderstanding why we are dissapointed.

As I said, the deal is really good, I would have loved having it without the entire secretive thing. However, creating expectations for one month suggests that we're going to get something unexpected and special. That's the reason about why people is feeling down. Something more creative, or bigger, even easier, would have made it good enough I think.

Also, I honestly don't think people would feel bad about not getting the deals with the gifting system. Who wanted to gift Elyria, used alternatives ways like paying it directly to the reciever, creating new accounts, etc. So they've alredy enjoyed the sales.

But, guys, don't feel bad about the critizism or the down-votes. We're posting it because we CARE about this game, the developement and the team behind it. If we do it is because we want it to be as good as possible, so you and us, can learn of each other. I'm sure you learned something about this experience as we did.

Have a good day!

Maulvorn - 3 months ago
@Caspian:

Posted By Caspian at 12:35 AM - Wed May 24 2017

Hail Elyrians,

I'm pretty disappointed to see down-votes for this. The team pushed hard to add gifting support by the end of May so those people who received a gift have an opportunity to take advantage of the 10% sale before it ends.

We didn't want to add gifting next month, only for people to complain that they didn't receive their gifts before the sale ended.

We kept it a surprise because the amount of work to add this was non-trivial, and we didn't want to promise something we weren't sure we could deliver on with everything else going on.

So we pushed gifting to May so we wouldn't disappoint people who didn't get to participate in the sale. We kept it a surprise so we wouldn't commit to something and then disappoint by not meeting our objectives.

In the end, we disappointed people anyways, which suggests we were apparently doomed to disappoint no matter what we did. That's very unfortunate.

I think it is great Caspian, since we can buy tiers for people who would otherwise not get them, plus the carriage packages as well.

Just people being salty.

summourn - 3 months ago

It's cheaper to buy the Carriage for Two than it is the Elyrian gift, even with the 10% discount. Guess i should buy another one, just in case.

Chroniclesofalias - 3 months ago

where the EP store at

Hellglaser - 3 months ago

"Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account."

I find this offensive, why do you just assume people gave it to their "Sweetheart". I was gonna buy one for a buddy but now I see that doing so implies that we have a romantic relationship.

Aeyt2 - 3 months ago
@Hellglaser:

Posted By Hellglaser at 4:31 PM - Tue May 23 2017

"Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account."

I find this offensive, why do you just assume people gave it to their "Sweetheart". I was gonna buy one for a buddy but now I see that doing so implies that we have a romantic relationship.

I feel offended that you were being funny and people took you seriously and got offended that you were offended when you weren't really offended. I'll be offended if that offends anyone. Also, I gave you an up vote to try to counter balance all your down votes. The salt is real in this thread! Keep up the snark!

LorenzW - 3 months ago
@Hellglaser:

Posted By Hellglaser at 4:31 PM - Tue May 23 2017

"Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account."

I find this offensive, why do you just assume people gave it to their "Sweetheart". I was gonna buy one for a buddy but now I see that doing so implies that we have a romantic relationship.

Takes all the salt, creates a ring on the floor. Stands in centre of ring, chanting: May the Eyes of the Salty Pass me by,

They have been advertised as a "couples" gift from the start. If you don't wanna marry your buddy, no one's gonna fault you for it.

Hellglaser - 3 months ago
@LorenzW:

Posted By LorenzW at 6:37 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Hellglaser at 4:31 PM - Tue May 23 2017

"Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account."

I find this offensive, why do you just assume people gave it to their "Sweetheart". I was gonna buy one for a buddy but now I see that doing so implies that we have a romantic relationship.

Takes all the salt, creates a ring on the floor. Stands in centre of ring, chanting: May the Eyes of the Salty Pass me by,

They have been advertised as a "couples" gift from the start. If you don't wanna marry your buddy, no one's gonna fault you for it.

Explore the world with a friend or loved one by purchasing an extra game copy and a Carriage for Two. You can travel the world in style and go exploring together. Please note horses will be needed to pull the carriage. These can be found in the EP store (once open.) •1 Extra Copy of the Basic Game •Carriage for Two

explore the world with a friend or loved one, no where is it advertised as a "romantic couples" item

Freeman - 3 months ago
@Hellglaser:

Posted By Hellglaser at 6:43 PM - Tue May 23 2017

explore the world with a friend or loved one, no where is it advertised as a "romantic couples" item

You're right. At no point in human history has "[Item] For Two" ever carried connotations of romance.

Maulvorn - 3 months ago
@Hellglaser:

Posted By Hellglaser at 12:31 AM - Wed May 24 2017

"Did you get a Carriage for Two? If you answered yes, you'll find an Elyrian Gift already in your inventory which can be sent to your sweetheart once they have created their account."

I find this offensive, why do you just assume people gave it to their "Sweetheart". I was gonna buy one for a buddy but now I see that doing so implies that we have a romantic relationship.

Talk about being overly sensitive lol?

Hellglaser - 3 months ago
@Maulvorn:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-mju_gW3c8

Tarvald - 3 months ago

Ouch...

Abigor - 3 months ago

So a promotion is a actually a thing that was promised to be available to us anyway...I don't complain..but then again, why it was such a secret?

Mr_Plunkett - 3 months ago
@Abigor:

Posted By Abigor at 12:30 AM - Wed May 24 2017

So a promotion is a actually a thing that was promised to be available to us anyway...I don't complain..but then again, why it was such a secret?

+1

It's like me buying CoD, and the campaign being called a secret, yeah, maybe the specifics are a bit unclear but you know it's going to be a feature

Xarkfleur - 3 months ago

Sink me!

Jokaes - 3 months ago

Surprise! A new way to spend money! xD :D :| :'(

Hugh Bris - 3 months ago
@Jokaes:

Posted By Jokaes at 7:27 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Surprise! A new way to spend money! xD :D :| :'(

That's not really a surprise though, is it?

Elbereth - 3 months ago

The new is good, but honestly, it should have never been a secret. I'm sorry for puting it like this, but I'm sure more people think the same.

A surprise should be always greater and more special. Also, it felt like it was going to be something bigger because many expectations were created.

Basically, if I would have known this, it would have been a good surprise. But I don't feel like this makes justice to the "big secret" thing.

I'm sorry again, but, I think someone has to say it... As a constructive way of helping, from the point of view of a fan of yours, next time don't make any secret unless it's something that actually deserves the expectation.

Crazyboi - 3 months ago

Well I will say what all wont, this was a disappointment, I did this already for a friend, just made account and gave it to them..disappointment, but nice first 3 weeks, so 3 out of 4 not bad..

VividEcho - 3 months ago

This is just the opening for week four right?

Maulvorn - 3 months ago

Who the hell is downvoting.

Azima - 3 months ago
@Maulvorn:

Posted By Maulvorn at 4:22 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Who the hell is downvoting.

Vucar - 3 months ago
@Azima:

Posted By Azima at 4:31 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Posted By Maulvorn at 4:22 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Who the hell is downvoting.

I think this about sums it up for me.

Oh, also what Takeda said.

Hugh Bris - 3 months ago
@Maulvorn:

Posted By Maulvorn at 7:22 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Who the hell is downvoting.

People that expected the hype and suspense to be worth it?

This is not that...

ZeroCool - 3 months ago

Sooo, it's not really a promotion though, is it?

I thought I was going to get something. Something for free or something paid, but something. This Elyrian Gift I already had, you just made it so I could see it and do something with it.

Still no clue if it comes with ElyriaMUD access for sure.

Ignore me, just felt like having a tiny moan.

Salty_Joe - 3 months ago
@ZeroCool:

Posted By ZeroCool at 4:19 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Sooo, it's not really a promotion though, is it?

I thought I was going to get something. Something for free or something paid, but something. This Elyrian Gift I already had, you just made it so I could see it and do something with it.

Still no clue if it comes with ElyriaMUD access for sure.

Ignore me, just felt like having a tiny moan.

I believe we all feel like having a tiny moan... there was no need to make this a surprise... built up hype for... nothing.... Hope this is just a joke..

Hellglaser - 3 months ago

and.....

Ironside - 3 months ago

Interesting.

Glad you guys put in all of the hard work and for the betterment of the community.

Hugh Bris - 3 months ago
@Ironside:

Posted By Ironside at 7:13 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Interesting.

That's a word... I mean... I guess it makes sense. If I can ever get anyone of my gaming friends interested this will make it easier for me to maybe sweeten the pot a little... maybe...

Still... This is a bit of a let down given the hype.

Vye - 3 months ago
@Hugh Bris:

Hype can definitely get out-of-hand and we could never satisfy everyone but, hey, we tried! We are really excited about this feature and think it is pretty awesome because it's another step toward Account Merging and everything that follows, such as Settlement & Domain Selection.

We also delivered on our promise to allow for gifting of carriages and other packages, and worked to get it done early enough that people who received those packages would have the benefit of the 10% discount on upgrades! So we've got that going for us, which is nice. :)

HolyAvengerOne - 3 months ago
@Vye:

Posted By Vye at 7:28 PM - Tue May 23 2017

Hype can definitely get out-of-hand and we could never satisfy everyone but, hey, we tried! We are really excited about this feature and think it is pretty awesome because it's another step toward Account Merging and everything that follows, such as Settlement & Domain Selection.

We also delivered on our promise to allow for gifting of carriages and other packages, and worked to get it done early enough that people who received those packages would have the benefit of the 10% discount on upgrades! So we've got that going for us, which is nice. :)

Feature is great, exactly the type of thing I wanted to see! Thanks!

Now if we could just be able to get the referral bonus for gifting, as an extra special bonus until the end of May? :D :D

Thanks!

Terrantal - 3 months ago

Wait, no submarines? Damn :(

Flynnt - 3 months ago

MERRY CHRISTMAS ME HEARTIES

Maulvorn - 3 months ago

Awesome :D