19 October

Upcoming changes in the store offerings

By Vye

Greetings, friends of Elyria!

You knew it was coming, but you didn't know when...until now! As we near the first of our Pre-Alpha releases, the time has come to increase the package prices again. Last time, we stripped out the exclusive, early-backer rewards and original Kickstarter packages, bundled the rewards into new packages, and decreased the discount on the rewards in those packages. This time around, there are a few other surprises!

Retiring the Nobility Packages


We announced recently that the launch kingdoms for each server have been gobbled up by monarchs who hope to build their legacies on Elyrian soil. Many vassals have also pledged their loyalty to their liege and there are dwindling slots left to snag a duchy or county. To that end, we will be retiring all the nobility packages from the online store after November 30th. The Monarch package is already out-of-stock on all but one server, but now the Courtier and Royal packages will also be going away. That's not to say that players can't try to work their way up once the game launches or earn or receive through other means, but starting as a noble will no longer be a buyable option if you haven't committed by the time the packages go away. Have no fear! If you want to snag a nobility tier before the expiration but can't quite afford it now there is a way! We're bringing layaway back!

The Return of Layaway

With all those changes coming down the pipe, we decided that it would also be helpful to bring back our layaway feature! We disabled new layaways earlier in the year because we were driving toward Domain & Settlement Selection. Since we've decided to wait until next year so that our early access backers could explore VoxElyria or our Alpha deliverable before having to make a decision about regions and tribes, it doesn't make sense to keep it disabled. We love our players and try to be as community-centric as possible so, even if you need some time to pay off the whole package, you can still snag a great deal. All layaways must be paid in full by May 2018 to receive the rewards. Any layaways will be converted to store credit if not paid off by the cut-off date.

Package Price Increases


As we move closer to launch, we will continue to decrease the deep discounts on the packages. We assert that our earliest backers took the most risk on an unknown studio with big aspirations and should therefore enjoy the best value for their faith in us! While the rewards inside the packages are not being adjusted, the prices will be increasing in the following amounts on November 8, 2017.

  • Elyrian increases by $5 (from $40 to $45)
  • Pioneer increases by $5 (from $70 to $75)
  • Founder increases by $5 (from $100 to $105)
  • Bloodline increases by $10 (from $125 to $135)
  • Settler increases by $10 (from $175 to $185)
  • Proprietor increases by $10 (from $225 to $235)
  • Mayor increases by $50 (from $250 to $300)
  • Magistrate increases by $50 (from $500 to $550)
  • Governor increases by $50 (from $750 to $800)
  • The Courtier, Royal, and Monarch packages will not be changing in price since they will be retired at the end of November

Introducing A La Carte


We know many folks are only interested in a handful of package rewards and frequently get asked whether individual rewards can be purchased separately. While the EP Store is planned for Expositionists to flesh out their corner of Elyria during Exposition, sometimes all you want is a War Trison or chance to name a historical location without all that other stuff! Though our early backers got the greatest possible bundles at the deepest discounts, we think it's high time to allow folks to pick and choose. After all, Chronicles of Elyria is all about choices!

Coming soon to our online store, you will finally be able to purchase a variety of individual rewards to customize your game experience! Not every package reward will be available but we're excited to provide more options for our fans, whether you backed us at the start or are just learning about the game now. We know you're curious about just exactly what will be on the menu, so here's the list.

Character Rewards

  • A backpack
  • A wagon
  • A collection of trail rations
  • A set of merchant scales
  • A detailed map of your home county
  • A detailed map of your home duchy
  • A map of an historical, possibly unexplored location
  • Random treasure maps
  • Your choice from 1-of-5 different in-game pets to call your own
  • A pack mule to ride and haul your gear
  • A Horse and saddlebags
  • A purebread horse for breeding or travelling
  • An Ursaphant mount
  • An armored War Trison
  • Custom Surname
  • Configure a Coat of Arms for your family
  • Gain access to expanded colors
  • Gain access to expanded sigils
  • Gain access to expanded crests

Account Rewards

  • Access to Beta 2
  • Access to Beta 1
  • Access to Alpha 2
  • Access to Alpha 1 and the Early Access forum

Bonus Rewards

  • CoE Soundtrack (download)
  • Art book (PDF)
  • Strategy guide (PDF)
  • Town guide (PDF)
  • Name a star or constellation in Elyria
  • Name an historical location
  • Provide a name for a headstone to be found in an in-game graveyard

Prices and availability will be revealed when the items hit the store, so watch for our announcement soon!

Every eight months until launch, you'll see the store offerings change in these ways. Some packages will be retired, the remaining package prices will have their discount decreased, and the a la carte offerings will reflect those changes too. VoxElyria will be here before you know it and there is already a lot going on in our community forums and official discord. Don't miss out!

With profound fondness and eternal gratitude,

Vye

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ShadowTani - 7 months ago

Neocount, in case you didn't see the edit button, it'll appear by hovering your mouse-pointer over any post you've posted... That aside, welcome to the forums. :3

And yeah, I agree with your points, but take note that the complaints was before the "a la carte" prices were known. Now that they are known it should be clear enough for most that the tier packages with alpha have a lot more value than the a la carte option (exposition access on top for one, and unwanted titles can be converted to EP anyway, etc.).

Neocount - 7 months ago

This is cheap compared to so many lesser games. Get serious guys. Thank this team for saving the genre and pony up.

1 life in Elyria = 1 year real time = $45

1 year in lesser MMOs= initial cost+ $180 per year+ Loot Boxes/PTW + DLC/Gamepass.

Pretty simple.

The extra cost for the title ensures that those players will take an active interest in their communities. And with is comes a lot more responsibility. It becomes a real job. These players can't just log out in a safe place and forget about things. You don't want an absentee Lady or Lord, if your community is to succeed. The great thing about a dynamic world is that nothing is static. If you're a good player you can earn more status and titles.

There are also extra death penalties that come with titles, that some players won't want if they like to adventure. This is quite different than any game I've ever seen or heard of. It's like an onion. There are many games within the game. The "game of houses" may or may not be for you, but there is much more to Elyria than titles. Being the King or Queen may not be all roses, wine, glory and laurels. You also have to manage your Kingdom and it's citizens. No easy task.

"Uneasy lies the head that wears a crown" -Shakespeare's Henry IV, Part 2

Arrion - 8 months ago

I miss the days when alpha and beta testing was something you earned by being a good community member and an eager tester.... this pay to play crap sucks.

Neocount - 7 months ago
@Arrion:

How are those games doing now? Are they still fun? Are they trying to be innovative? Are you looking for something more? Look in my post above about the math. Beta might not be free, but the long view looks fantastic. You save and get what you've probably always been looking for in the genre. Give it a try.

12thPower - 8 months ago

Your prices and marketing make me feel dirty, like a layer of your scum is touching me. A great game concept ruined by greed and inequity before it's even out. EA has nothing on you.

Neocount - 7 months ago
@12thPower:

I get that EA is the flavor of the month, but comon. EA's CEO literally said he did not care about the storyline or content. What the heck are you talking about? EA is the Empire, these guys are the rebels. Lets get that straight, but the jets still need fuel. These prices are more than fair, especially when you actually do the math and compare it to other games. Battlefront 2 for example, will take you $80 to get started and you get 5 hours of content. This is a new dynamic world for $45, no season pass required. No loot boxes. No sub. So I ask again, what the heck are you talking about?

avarigirl - 8 months ago

This reminds me of Star Citizen- confusing price menu, and the game isn't even in Alpha yet. It sounds really cool, but I am going to wait until about a month after launch, see if it lives up to its promise, and what the prices are then. Good luck :)

Neocount - 7 months ago
@avarigirl:

Or support it and help improve the game. I'm sure the developers and other players would love to hear about your experience and any suggestions you may have on improvements.

Falendor - 8 months ago

So if i buy alpha 1 access al a carte item i get Beta 1&2, Alpha 1&2.
I already have an item from my package that gives Beta 1&2, and Aplpha 1.

I give the second item to a friend and keep the first.

Xeyska - 8 months ago
@Falendor:

Posted By Falendor at 12:01 PM - Mon Nov 06 2017

So if i buy alpha 1 access al a carte item i get Beta 1&2, Alpha 1&2.
I already have an item from my package that gives Beta 1&2, and Aplpha 1.

I give the second item to a friend and keep the first.

Once gifting is enabled for a la carte items, you will be able to give them Alpha 1 or whatever testing phases you choose for them.

Solarphoenix - 8 months ago

I bought the Bloodline package but what if I want to upgrade to Alpha access, do I need to pay the full price or is there going to be a discount?

Caspian - 8 months ago
@Solarphoenix:

Posted By Solarphoenix at 08:36 AM - Sun Nov 05 2017

I bought the Bloodline package but what if I want to upgrade to Alpha access, do I need to pay the full price or is there going to be a discount?

All your answers can be found Here.

Solarphoenix - 8 months ago
@Caspian:

I meant kind of how you can upgrade just the access level similar to how you can upgrade your package from founder to bloodline (if you had already purchased the former) by adding the leftover amount (founders - $100, so just add the $25 to get to bloodline). Could you do the same thing with access?

Xeyska - 8 months ago
@Solarphoenix:

Posted By Solarphoenix at 9:22 PM - Sun Nov 05 2017

I meant kind of how you can upgrade just the access level similar to how you can upgrade your package from founder to bloodline (if you had already purchased the former) by adding the leftover amount (founders - $100, so just add the $25 to get to bloodline). Could you do the same thing with access?

No, there isn't any discounts or paying the remainder in the a la carte. You will need to pay the full price of the item.

Falendor - 8 months ago
@Xeyska:

Posted By Xeyska at 7:45 PM - Sun Nov 05 2017

Posted By Solarphoenix at 9:22 PM - Sun Nov 05 2017

I meant kind of how you can upgrade just the access level similar to how you can upgrade your package from founder to bloodline (if you had already purchased the former) by adding the leftover amount (founders - $100, so just add the $25 to get to bloodline). Could you do the same thing with access?

No, there isn't any discounts or paying the remainder in the a la carte. You will need to pay the full price of the item.

If you purchased Alpha 1 access could you then gift the beta access item you got from your package to a friend?
It may be a good idea for SBS to put out an FAQ on the new al a carte system.

Solarity - 8 months ago
@Falendor:

Posted By Falendor at 2:13 PM - Mon Nov 06 2017

Posted By Xeyska at 7:45 PM - Sun Nov 05 2017

Posted By Solarphoenix at 9:22 PM - Sun Nov 05 2017

I meant kind of how you can upgrade just the access level similar to how you can upgrade your package from founder to bloodline (if you had already purchased the former) by adding the leftover amount (founders - $100, so just add the $25 to get to bloodline). Could you do the same thing with access?

No, there isn't any discounts or paying the remainder in the a la carte. You will need to pay the full price of the item.

If you purchased Alpha 1 access could you then gift the beta access item you got from your package to a friend?
It may be a good idea for SBS to put out an FAQ on the new al a carte system.

If you separate Alpha and Beta into separate package like that. what if they allow you to do what you ask on condition that you will not be able to play when the beta arrive? Will you still willing to give beta access to your friend?

The point is the new separate access package doesn't care either you already have Beta access or not and your Beta access is part of the package and probably you couldn't separate it from the package and give it to the other.

I think, the best way you could do is by

get new account with low price package and add Alpha access into that account then give your friend your previous Beta account

Woedrick - 8 months ago

I see what you are saying and yes I get the benefits...but what if I just wanted to get into Alpha 1 and don't want all of that stuff? I donated to get at least beta 1 because that is all i could afford. Some of us do have families but still enjoy playing games....casually:) I will play this game regardless when it comes out but I am one of those who would've waited If i would have known you could purchase Alpha 1. Well...it is what it is.. nothing but love!

Woedrick - 8 months ago

From 500 to 155 for alpha 1...sigh.

Orashna - 8 months ago
@Woedrick:

Posted By Woedrick at 6:28 PM - Thu Nov 02 2017

From 500 to 155 for alpha 1...sigh.

Yes you can get Alpha 1 for $155.00, which is pretty great for both SBS (because they get more testers) and also for those of us that can't afford to drop $500.00+ on a game

Also, I'm curious,with the $500.00 Magistrate package, are you putting all of these things at a $0.00 value even including the 1250 EP, 6 sparks of life, multiple mounts and a FULLY FURNISHED VILLA?
- Surely you can recognize the discount

Adventurer's Pack

•A backpack •A collection of trail rations •Random treasure maps in your home region

Founder's Pack

•A detailed map of your home county

Merchants's Pack

•A set of merchant scales •A detailed map of your home duchy •A map of a historical, possibly unexplored location

Pack Mule

A pack mule to ride and haul your gear

Pet

Choose 1 of 5 in-game pets to call your own

Horse & Saddlebags

A Horse and saddlebags

Purebred Horse

A purebread horse for breeding or travelling

Wagon

A Wagon

War Trison

Choose between an Ursaphant mount and an armored War Trison

Surname

Choose your own custom surname (can include your whole family)

Custom Coat of Arms

Heraldry - Create a custom Coat of Arms for your surname and kingdom

Expanded Colors

Gain access to expanded colors for your Custom Coat of Arms

Expanded Sigils

Gain access to expanded sigils for your Custom Coat of Arms

Decorative Plaque

A decorative plaque with your family's coat of arms

Homesteader Artwork

A decorative artwork for your home to commemorate your role as a homesteader

Statue

A decorative statue in your settlement commemorating you

Mayor Title

Begin the game as a Mayor (or Baron/Baroness if pledged to a Duke or Duchess)

•Select a settlement to name and govern •Receive a cloak identifying your rank as mayor or baron with your family's crest •Heraldry - Include Torse & Crest

Furnished Villa

A solid, fully furnished Villa from which to govern your settlement

TL ; DR - $155 = Alpha 1, $500 = A lot of stuff + Alpha 1

Nigran - 8 months ago

Great rewards!

Ignatios - 8 months ago

Is there a date for Pre-Alpha?

randys22 - 8 months ago

Will it be possible to exchange any of the items we got with packages that we don't want?

Would love to drop items I don't care about for some EP.

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HouseOfAmberly - 8 months ago
@randys22:

Posted By randys22 at 5:30 PM - Mon Oct 23 2017

Will it be possible to exchange any of the items we got with packages that we don't want?

Would love to drop items I don't care about for some EP.

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This question has been asked before. The amount of work to do it would add an incredible burden on the developers. A better question is, since there is going to be monetary value placed items like Alpha access, will SBS please reconsider keeping those items on merged accounts separated? They've previously said that alphas for obvious reasons won't stack, but this is a case where people can be gifted access from higher tier backers after mergers.

Cesnek - 8 months ago

If i would to buy some higher packages i would have to sacrifice all my month salary/work payment :(((( Not every you fan is from rich country, in my country is average wages 220 dolars. :(

Social differences between nations in real life will be same in game...

Prestr_Maerr - 8 months ago
@Cesnek:

But contrary to real life, you can pick a nation prior to your birth. And don’t forget: hard work, dedication and a tight, loyal community will trump any amount of money spent without proper support by the players.

In the long run, i’m certain real life wealth exchanged for in game riches will have changed hands so many times, it won’t be of much importance how it was generated, nor by whom. Except for the chronicles, of course.

Woogawoman - 8 months ago

At the end of the day, I don't really care if someone else gets the perks I paid for a year ago. But it still rankles me for a couple of reasons. First, it feels (to me) like SBS is going against something they had clearly stated in the past. This makes me less sure about trusting anything else they have or will say.

Second, it makes me concerned that the outside funding is not coming through as expected. Not to say that that is true - just that it feels like they wouldn't need to start changing up the revenue model if things were rosy. Game development that stretches over years needs a steady influx of funding. We had heard that a good chunk of it would come from outside investors, but we haven't had any announcements. So what's the real story?

In other words, this announcement as written dealt two blows to my confidence about the probability that the game will reach launch. I am fine if a la carte gets more people to buy in to this investment, but I can still wish SBS had handled it a bit differently.

Gunnlang - 8 months ago
@Woogawoman:

Posted By Woogawoman at 03:18 AM - Tue Oct 24 2017

At the end of the day, I don't really care if someone else gets the perks I paid for a year ago. But it still rankles me for a couple of reasons. First, it feels (to me) like SBS is going against something they had clearly stated in the past. This makes me less sure about trusting anything else they have or will say.

Second, it makes me concerned that the outside funding is not coming through as expected. Not to say that that is true - just that it feels like they wouldn't need to start changing up the revenue model if things were rosy.

Though I get your feeling, if you are meaning them selling alpha/beta. Caspian put up the numbers for alpha 1 at some point. Which is was around 1.6k. Which is really low. So them changing their mind about selling that out of packages was a good move really. If people really have a problem with more people being able to test the game, well honestly not even sure what to say to those people. Which I'm not saying you do btw.

Caspian has said at different times companies have put offers forward. So unless you are thinking he has been lying about that. No real reason to think they need more money from us. Which they also said sometime back they didn't, just anything they got, well less they would need from outside help.

Personally I would rather hope they keep thinking of new ways for people to fund them, if that in turn means they don't need to worry about getting outside funding as much. More so if that means they can pick the right deal, not just "oh we must go with deal A cause of the money we need".

Kaynadin - 8 months ago

Has the March towards purchasable SP combined with needing a minimum level of SP to complete certain quests or open certain relic chests begun? Time will tell. I hope not, but each time a company adds more new ways to monetize their product it seems like loot boxes or equivalent special access areas are just around the corner.

HolyAvengerOne - 8 months ago
@Kaynadin:

Posted By Kaynadin at 10:04 AM - Mon Oct 23 2017

Has the March towards purchasable SP combined with needing a minimum level of SP to complete certain quests or open certain relic chests begun? Time will tell. I hope not, but each time a company adds more new ways to monetize their product it seems like loot boxes or equivalent special access areas are just around the corner.

SBS stated and multiple times committed not to do that.

GodlessGreg - 8 months ago
@Kaynadin:

Posted By Kaynadin at 10:04 AM - Mon Oct 23 2017

Has the March towards purchasable SP combined with needing a minimum level of SP to complete certain quests or open certain relic chests begun? Time will tell. I hope not, but each time a company adds more new ways to monetize their product it seems like loot boxes or equivalent special access areas are just around the corner.

It doesn't seem like a "new way to monetize", but rather a different structure to help bring in new customers. They are after all a company and need to pay their growing number of employees.

I suppose time will tell, but this doesn't seem to be a money grab in its current form.

HolyAvengerOne - 8 months ago
@GodlessGreg:

Posted By GodlessGreg at 5:42 PM - Mon Oct 23 2017

Posted By Kaynadin at 10:04 AM - Mon Oct 23 2017

Has the March towards purchasable SP combined with needing a minimum level of SP to complete certain quests or open certain relic chests begun? Time will tell. I hope not, but each time a company adds more new ways to monetize their product it seems like loot boxes or equivalent special access areas are just around the corner.

It doesn't seem like a "new way to monetize", but rather a different structure to help bring in new customers. They are after all a company and need to pay their growing number of employees.

I suppose time will tell, but this doesn't seem to be a money grab in its current form.

If it was a money grab, they'd have adopted a system like Star Citizen. Not saying SC is one or isn't, just stating that the way they did their crowdfunding was very measured and responsible.

GodlessGreg - 8 months ago

I'm late to the party, but I am still going to shoot for Magistrate ($500, Alpha 1) instead of waiting for A la Carte. For me it seems like the best deal for what I want.

Sadly my family comes first, so it's going to be an Upgrade here and there. I actually hope I can pull it off, but the A La Carte can be my fallback I suppose.

I guess my point is even knowing that others might get some supposed "better deal" isn't a deterrent for me. Shouldn't we all want more people to support such a grand undertaking, not less?

Xefipor - 8 months ago

The best part of the changes is watching all the people come out to cry about the changes...

:D

Blaquestone - 8 months ago

Well, this certainly is a rough thread... As someone who bought my package for two main reasons (Alpha 1 access and naming a star/constellation), there is a part of me that was not pleasantly surprised to find out those rewards were being offered independently of the rest of my purchase. I've been thinking about it on my own, without seeing the rest of the community's opinions here, and several things have struck me. Firstly, I was more concerned about my naming a star being less unique, than of having more players included in Alpha. As a designer myself, I know how important the testing phases are in development of even the smallest games. Of all things, I don't understand why the players are upset that SBS is going to get additional funds and playtesters simultaneously. I would understand more about custom surnames and crests and all of the little hats and skins they're offering won't be as notable... but being allowed to playtest a game to help work out the kinks? Sure we can be proud to take part in that, but holding onto that as a prestigious position at the expense of additional testing and investment towards the finished game would be misguided.

As far as the accents that people may purchase, like naming stars or customs crests etc., etc., when Riot re-released exclusive skins (because nobody saw them at all, after a while) they gave some additional bit of glamour to those with the original purchase. Now that they're changing the rune system, they're exchanging those runes and rune pages players purchased with time or money for some benefit. I imagine that there can be some sort of signifier, whether in-game or purely on the forums, that can or already does separate the early backers from the new ala carte players. I trust SBS to handle this situation with care. There are many ways to money-grab in a game, make it pay to win, or have paid content expansions for integral parts of the game... Everything I've read so far seems to be following a realistic business effort to not just gather revenue, but to ensure Coe has enough interested players to test the game properly and make a better impact on the server worlds during Exposition.

HolyAvengerOne - 8 months ago

Talking about that... Have you guys (SBS) given any thoughts to a system where current package holders could trade in, exchange or otherwise transform some of their existing backer perks to customize further their experience?

That could alleviate some of malcontents concerns when the a la carte goes live.

Rinkuji - 8 months ago

Exposition access will not be purchasable a la carte?

HolyAvengerOne - 8 months ago
@Rinkuji:

I personally totally agree with opening up reward purchases, although I hope early alpha access come at a steep price, so we can get more monies invested into the game ;) I personally don't mind that other players have the options of buying the same perks I did, even if only marginally more expensive.

What will be hard to balance for SBS are cases where backers bought, say, the 250$ package SOLELY for the alpha access and didn't care about any other rewards included. For them, alpha access would then be worth that much.

Taking that logic into account, you're bound to have some folks who'll feel slighted, same as when the new packages were released. shrug

Posted By Rinkuji at 08:52 AM - Sun Oct 22 2017

Exposition access will not be purchasable a la carte?

Exposition only makes sense if you have EP, and EP owners will have access to exposition. So, it was always available à la carte, effectively.

Valimai - 8 months ago

I have Proprietor pack but thear is a lot of stuff like merchant or adventurer packs in it that i dont need so will thear be possible to exchange thouse to EP, couse that would be nice. Because i like to be a blacksmith and i think a lot of people like to go craft path so thay dont realy use thous things.

SumGhai - 8 months ago

The a la carte items announcement is great news. I have been watching the development of the game for almost year now without pledging. I will now put a settler package with some extra EP in layaway. Now that I can add a Ursaphant to my package later. The settler package had everything I wanted except the mount I wanted. The game is now coming together it seems. Thanks Soulbound :)

Rakar - 8 months ago

If you buy the Alpha 1 package, it should be just that Alpha 1 and not give you automatic access to Alpha 2, Beta 1 or Beta 2. They should all have to be purchased separately if you want to gain access in this manner. Unless the price is significant enough to encompass all of them.

RedDoggybone - 8 months ago
@Rakar:

Posted By Rakar at 12:35 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

If you buy the Alpha 1 package, it should be just that Alpha 1 and not give you automatic access to Alpha 2, Beta 1 or Beta 2. They should all have to be purchased separately if you want to gain access in this manner. Unless the price is significant enough to encompass all of them.

Ouch, I don't want to be here when the firestorm breaks if they implement that idea. That just sounds too much like money grabbing. No matter how they break the tiers down price wise, all us peons will see is them charging 4 separate times for the same thing instead of one. The pitch forks will be out for sure.

Rakar - 8 months ago
@RedDoggybone:

Posted By RedDoggybone at 3:21 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

Posted By Rakar at 12:35 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

If you buy the Alpha 1 package, it should be just that Alpha 1 and not give you automatic access to Alpha 2, Beta 1 or Beta 2. They should all have to be purchased separately if you want to gain access in this manner. Unless the price is significant enough to encompass all of them.

Ouch, I don't want to be here when the firestorm breaks if they implement that idea. That just sounds too much like money grabbing. No matter how they break the tiers down price wise, all us peons will see is them charging 4 separate times for the same thing instead of one. The pitch forks will be out for sure.

It really depends on what they put the prices at.

Heartagram - 8 months ago
@RedDoggybone:

Posted By RedDoggybone at 8:21 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

Posted By Rakar at 12:35 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

If you buy the Alpha 1 package, it should be just that Alpha 1 and not give you automatic access to Alpha 2, Beta 1 or Beta 2. They should all have to be purchased separately if you want to gain access in this manner. Unless the price is significant enough to encompass all of them.

Ouch, I don't want to be here when the firestorm breaks if they implement that idea. That just sounds too much like money grabbing. No matter how they break the tiers down price wise, all us peons will see is them charging 4 separate times for the same thing instead of one. The pitch forks will be out for sure.

Personally, this whole idea of "a la carte" perks is just money grabbing for me. I do understand that they need funds. But honestly what happened to the whole idea of looking for investors? If they selling "a la carte" items now, what is stopping them from selling boosts during the release of the game? so many things make me doubtful in this game...

Gunnlang - 8 months ago
@Heartagram:

Posted By Heartagram at 06:59 AM - Sun Oct 22 2017

Personally, this whole idea of "a la carte" perks is just money grabbing for me. I do understand that they need funds. But honestly what happened to the whole idea of looking for investors? If they selling "a la carte" items now, what is stopping them from selling boosts during the release of the game? so many things make me doubtful in this game...

We heard about this la carte items ages back. If they really wanted to make money, why would they get rid of the expensive packages? Or why wouldn't they sell better stuff. Like the DEs? Most of the stuff there you get with the cheap packages. Only thing people are up in arms about is alpha/beta. If those weren't there, high chance no one would even care.

But I don't know how you make the jump from them selling these to they keep the store around after launch.

HajimeSaito - 8 months ago
@Gunnlang:

Posted By Gunnlang at 11:25 AM - Sun Oct 22 2017

Posted By Heartagram at 06:59 AM - Sun Oct 22 2017

Personally, this whole idea of "a la carte" perks is just money grabbing for me. I do understand that they need funds. But honestly what happened to the whole idea of looking for investors? If they selling "a la carte" items now, what is stopping them from selling boosts during the release of the game? so many things make me doubtful in this game...

We heard about this la carte items ages back. If they really wanted to make money, why would they get rid of the expensive packages? Or why wouldn't they sell better stuff. Like the DEs? Most of the stuff there you get with the cheap packages. Only thing people are up in arms about is alpha/beta. If those weren't there, high chance no one would even care.

But I don't know how you make the jump from them selling these to they keep the store around after launch.

I often wondered about and wanted to buy more DE as you have mentioned... name your price!1

Orashna - 8 months ago
@Heartagram:

Posted By Heartagram at 3:59 PM - Sat Oct 21 2017

"what is stopping them from selling boosts during the release of the game?"

That's definitely a valid concern and something I hope they don't do

Truly only time will tell. What we do know is they've been pretty adamant on there not being a store for anything other than sparks and souls post official launch

Also, please don't name things that could give "bonuses" for them to sell... Let's keep those thoughts well in the dark so that they never see the light of day!

Malais - 8 months ago

While the devs have spent a great deal of time and energy listening to the community and even taking our concerns to heart and making changes their “attention” is what breeds angst like I’m seeing here and there over this.

Folks SBS is a business they have and will continue to make decisions that make business sense to them. Not to us. I have a problem with the ala cart system like many of you however it’s not our call.

Period.

Like several other decisions I have a problem with I can either trust their vision or gripe and throw a tantrum taking my ball (pledge) and go home like a child. Either way their decision stands.

Greyfox - 8 months ago

Increasing pricing without so much as a playable demo? Not even remotely close to releasing COE.

You knew it was coming, but you didn't know when...until now! My funding for this project is decreasing to ZERO.

How them apples?

Nitek - 8 months ago
@Greyfox:

Most packs are only increase 5 or 10 dollars.

I could see this complaint from royalty packs going away, but over something that is cheaper than going out anywhere? :thinking:

Also lay-a-way will allow you to save the price until you can afford to pay off the whole thing, which then the price jump wont hit you...

markof - 8 months ago

I have a question, some of us have multiple accounts and plan to merge them.

We know that when merging some of the "items" are going to add, others will not because basically account and bonus rewards do not make sens having several of them on one account.

But before we merge them those accounts are separate and we might want to gift those account and bonus rewards to other players, will that be an option you'd consider ?

Matriarch - 8 months ago

So we can buy these items with EP?

Polite - 8 months ago
@Matriarch:

Posted By TheLastMinotaur at 06:27 AM - Sat Oct 21 2017

So we can buy these items with EP?

This relates to the CoE Online store Minotaur so purchasing with real world currency not EP :) I can understand the possible confusion though.

grandad1982 - 8 months ago

Sweet, if it's not that much ££ I might grab alpha 2!

Lady Grace - 8 months ago

I'm just going to put this on the table and back away slowly.

Do I understand the concern? Sure. There are a few things I would not have put on that list, had I been asked beforehand. But am I upset? No, because someone else getting something shiny will not, in any way, make the things I get any less shiny. And ultimately, I paid what I did to support this game's development rather than to have any particular stuff.

Polite - 8 months ago

The anger looks only to be with the A La Carte option which doesn't have prices listed. More specifically the anger looks to be with the Alpha and Beta availability via A La Carte.

Given the prices are not yet announced I think judgement should be reserved. Further since the prices are not announced there is an opportunity to provide feedback to the development team on what prices you think would devalue your own payment and make suggestions on price points you personally felt would have validated A La Carte in the past.

It is easy to be angry and negative but given that is currently based on speculation and there is the opportunity to provide feedback which is constructive that would be a better way to go wouldn't it?

Solstar - 8 months ago

For those who spent large amounts of money to gain a specific thing from a pledge package (everything over bloodline, for example), I think it would be appropriate to receive a fractional amount of store credit for the items that package grants them, as a way to decompress the issue. Perhaps 5% the value of the package?

For example, if you already own a package that contains a backpack and mule, you get $3.50 in store credit. If your package has Alpha 1 access (currently a $500 package), you get $25. Buy a $1000 Governor package? Get $50 in store credit.

This would, of course, scale based on the actual amount of money spent.

The only other option (and a better option, though requiring more Dev work) would be to allow backers to part out their pledge, and trade in items they don't want for store credit. (FYI, Crowfall does this. )

It would show a lot of respect for those of us who jumped on the band wagon early.

Azeron - 8 months ago

As Serpentius stated, the prices for ala carte items haven't been finalized. I don't think a $100 dollar+ alpha access is as good of a value as what we were getting on packages that gave us hundreds of dollars in sparks and exposition points, not to mention all of the other perks. Ease off of the hostility until we get the full picture.

Nitt - 8 months ago
@Azeron:

Seems to me the main issue people have is being able to purchase Alpha 1 access. I doubt being able to purchase Alpha 2/Beta access is a big concern.

Removing some of the shineys such as personalised surname and extended Coat of Arms design would allow the early backers to maintain some uniqueness.

As mentioned elsewhere, wait for the pricing to be released.

Moohasha - 8 months ago

I see a lot of people doggin' on SBS for this, so I'll take a moment to offer a different perspective. As Serpentius said, it may be best to reserve judgement until the prices are actually released. Everyone is assuming that the a la carte prices are going to be significantly lower. Someone even hoped he could get Alpha 1 access for less than $100. Really?

If you've ever bought something a la carte you'll know that it's not as good a deal as buying a package or a combo pack. People are complaining about buying a more expensive pledge just to get Alpha I or II access and now people will be able to purchase those separately. Well A) If they are cheaper than the original packages they were part of, I expect they won't be significantly cheaper, and B) I'm sorry that you got a lot of other really cool stuff with your early access.

My plan has always been to up my pledge to Mayor over time, mainly because I want Alpha II access but I also want some land and a mount and I think it'd be cool to run a city and have my own surname and coat of arms, plus I'm excited about the digital CD and art book and other stuff from the lower tiers. I wouldn't pay $250 just for Alpha II access, but I feel it's a good deal considering all of the other stuff that comes with it.

I expect that when the prices come out most people will find that they didn't spend that much more than they could have and they got a whole lot of other good stuff too. That being said, it would certainly help quell things if SBS released the prices sooner rather than later.

Swix - 8 months ago

This is not good at all, I upgraded to a higher package to get the Alpha 1, now someone can just go buy that addon? .......

Loop - 8 months ago

I urge you to handle this with transparency and promptly, if you wait, it will fester. So please give us the whole picture. Would also like to show support for Blankwindows suggestions, seems like a good idea with the information we have now.

Marshal - 8 months ago

While I'm glad the Layaway option is back, Only having until May to have it paid in full is gonna force a re-think. It's just too small a window of time for too much money at this stage.

Heartagram - 8 months ago

Posts like this one make me regret pledging so early... another kick in the balls from devs! But I guess they will learn only when making mistakes.

Jarri - 8 months ago

I second your suggestion blankwindow. To me it takes the middle-ground approach.

Sumdeus - 8 months ago

In all honesty, I'm torn down the middle by this announcement. If the upcoming store items were completely seperate from the item perks in the package, I'd have no problems at all. I also understand the point of views from the comments above as well.

From my experiences in mmorpgs, a lot people pay money to "peacock". Im not saying anything bad about anyone nor am i saying "peacocking" is some horrible thing but people pay money to have "exclusive" items that not many others have. A way to stand out. By offering the exact items in the package, it's a slap in the face. This really only affects a couple of the items in the post though. Example, the 1 in 5 pet choice.

On the other hand, I understand providing the alpha and beta access to new comers as well as I've found games late in development that I couldn't gain access to it simply because I didn't learn about it fast enough.

All in all, dependant on how things get pushed out, well see how I feel. My only opinion (if not already planned to do so) is to offer 5 seperate pet choices from what packages get to choose from, potentially unique skin patterns for purebred, etc... Just ways to give an "exclusive" feeling to the items in packages.

That's really all I can think of to make/keep some happy by this news. Constructive feedback is now concluded.

Taco - 8 months ago

Where can I find my store credit? I believe I should have received some at the end of the anniversary activities.

Moohasha - 8 months ago

Question about the a la carte options. If you've already pledged at a level that grants Beta I or II access, will the Alpha I and II options be discounted or will they be the same price regardless of your current pledge?

RedDoggybone - 8 months ago

At this point, any changes at all to the game in ANY way will cause a volley of complaints. LOL. Hey, I bought the packages at the price offered with what was included at the time. I was happy to do so. It is unrealistic to think that things will stay static forever. If we had the option to buy the things piece meal like now, I am sure they would have raised far less money. No one held a gun to any ones head to buy those packages. It's sort of like complaining that you bought your new tv on sale a year ago and now it's on a even better sale and you want the new price a year after it. Do you complain when the cable company you have belonged to for the last 10 years lowers their prices for new subscribers too?

Look at it this way. They are retiring all those packages because they were filled. You can no longer buy them. That includes all the a la carte stuff they are now going to be offering. So, if they don't offer these items a la carte to the masses, the only people that will have them will be the ones who bought one of those retired packages.

For example, I am a late comer to the game. I want Alpha 1 access. But wait. I can't get it because all the packages that offer that have been retired. The developers also want more people to populate there world than just the people who bought packages with Alpha 1 as a perk. So what are they suppose to do? Not offer Alpha 1 a la carte because Joe Blow paid a few extra schillings to get it in a package? And before you say they should have said a la carte should have been offered earlier or we should have been at least told it would be later. Maybe they didn't know all the high end packages would sell out when they were doing the KS? And even if they did, most people would wait to buy the a la carte stuff and not pledge to the game. If enough do that then, we have no game now.

So you had to pay a few extra dollars for something that your getting offered at a lower rate now. Life sux sometimes. In my case, I am sorry, I just can't get upset over something I payed for over a year ago changing their business model to meet current expectations. This is a KS game in development. Did you really think things wouldn't change and adjust to the new needs of the game?

Woedrick - 8 months ago
@RedDoggybone:

I appreciate your information on this but I also purchased a package to get an earlier start on the game not necessarily for some of the other things I really could care less about. I do feel like those of us who got in earlier should have something to show for it. I agree with Solstar on getting at least a fractional amount of store credit. It does make me think twice about pledging anymore at this point. To the point of you being a late comer to the game and want Alpha 1 access. I believe that's the point of backing earlier, or paying more money to get that package. An incentive if you will. Like you said most people would wait to buy the la carte stuff and not pledge to the game if they knew that earlier. It reminds me of when I played DAOC for 10 years to get my infiltraitor to realm rank 11 and champion level 10 only to have the devs let everyone be able to purchase the very abilities I spent years acquiring. Everything is not fair, I understand that but I believe that loyalty should not be overlooked. I will probably get over this like I did with Daoc( which I am not playing anymore) but still...I have to give my two cents on this since I have donated over 100 dollars..schillings..to this game. Which to me is not chump change like it may be to others. Nothing but love man! See you in game

Orashna - 8 months ago
@Woedrick:

I think this is actually really exciting because I'm at the Settler pledge right now but don't have the extra $300 to put into the game just to get in early and play those Alpha 1 experiences that I crave.

For those that feel like you are getting ripped because you got the Magistrate level package for Alpha 1, here's just a little bit of math of where I'm at with Settler and where you're at with Magistrate:

Settler - $175.00 - Beta I - 3 sparks total - 250 expo - And of course the mounts and such included in both that don't need mentioning. I've listed the sparks and expo to show value

Magistrate - $500.00 - Alpha 1 - Furnished Villa ($100.00?) - 6 sparks of life (3 extra sparks at $25.00 each = $75.00) - 2,000 Expo which is 1,750 more expo points than Settler (value of roughly $125.00 - $150.00?) = $300.00 of value in the villa, expo and extra sparks alone compared to the Settler pledge

There is a $325.00 cost difference between these two pledges. The value of the Villa, Expo and extra sparks of life ALONE make up that difference. So really anything that I spend on Alpha 1 would be more than what you are paying for it because the other items I've just listed already equal the difference in cost between the tiers

This is even without mentioning the Statue and Artwork which appear to be absent from the "a la carte" list for those who want to recognize their exclusive rewards, and of course a War Trison and special cloak with your unique crest.

Woogawoman - 8 months ago
@RedDoggybone:

Posted By RedDoggybone at 12:52 PM - Fri Oct 20 2017

For example, I am a late comer to the game. I want Alpha 1 access. But wait. I can't get it because all the packages that offer that have been retired.

This argument is invalid, since they are NOT retiring all the packages that give Alpha 1 access. Alpha 1 starts with the Magistrate package.

Serpentius - 8 months ago

A great many players have been asking for this option and we understand that not everyone's financial situation matches their enthusiasm for the game and this community.

We're happy to welcome a wider variety of backers who will make the Elyrian community even more vibrant, and we hope you are too!

Blankwindow - 8 months ago
@Serpentius:

Posted By Serpentius at 2:22 PM - Fri Oct 20 2017

A great many players have been asking for this option and we understand that not everyone's financial situation matches their enthusiasm for the game and this community.

We're happy to welcome a wider variety of backers who will make the Elyrian community even more vibrant, and we hope you are too!

That is all great for getting new backers, but what about your existing customers...

A suggestion would be if you allowed us to turn back in \ sell back higher packages for store credit.

So say person A went from Bloodline to Mayor just so they could get alpha 2 access, If they so with, let them downgrade back to bloodline the money they spent originally on mayor becomes store credit that can be used to purchase EP or these a le carte items.

This would still stick to the no refund policy, As it would be an exchange, not a refund.

while also solving the main complaint that has been made with this change.

I make this suggestion because I know at least a dozen mayors that want alpha 1 access, but don't want to upgrade because nothing else in the magistrate or govenor is worth the cost.

and on the other hand I know a mayor who upgraded to count. Soley because they wanted the design experience. He intends to transfer all the count stuff to another.

and the list goes on of examples.

you want to stop all the grumbling. In addition to the price list,

allow existing backers to cash in \ downgrade to a lower package for equal store credit that can be spent on these a le cart items, or whatever else in the store they may want.

Gunnlang - 8 months ago
@Blankwindow:

Posted By Blankwindow at 06:35 AM - Sat Oct 21 2017

allow existing backers to cash in \ downgrade to a lower package for equal store credit that can be spent on these a le cart items, or whatever else in the store they may want.

This can't be done. I tried to have my EP transferred into store credit, so I could get the courtier package for cheaper. Talked with Serpentius about it. The amount of work behind doing that for one person was way too much. Let alone doing that for countless others.

Realistic they have to sell alpha 1 for $350 you think. Since to even enter the early access forum you need to have spent $350. Seems weird to me if you could get it for that much cheaper and thus get into that forum for so less.

Which personally, I don't know many that would buy alpha for that kind of money. So the cheapest now for access to alpha 1 is $500. You really think many people will buy only alpha 1 for $350? Stuff that right up.

Liva - 8 months ago

Gain access to expanded colors Gain access to expanded sigils Gain access to expanded crests

Is this all the colours/sigils/crests, so for example as a count I might not have access to the expanded colors etc? How high does your pledge have needed to be to have access to these? Is expaned colors/sigils/crests the Nobility in general? the duke titles and up?

Rasigan - 8 months ago

All i wanted was an alpha 1 access. So if it costs less than $100, then sweet. Will feel bad for ppl that bought a $500 package just for the alpha access though.

Woogawoman - 8 months ago

I could have sworn I heard SBS repeatedly say "we won't ever offer alpha/beta access separately" in the past. Either my memory is faulty, or the level of trust just dropped.

NiHZ - 8 months ago
@Woogawoman:

You're not alone. I might be wrong but I'm sure they said such about a lot of things. It's been so long now, though.

Vigorish - 8 months ago
@Woogawoman:

Posted By Woogawoman at 1:45 PM - Fri Oct 20 2017

I could have sworn I heard SBS repeatedly say "we won't ever offer alpha/beta access separately" in the past. Either my memory is faulty, or the level of trust just dropped.

I am disappointed that Alpha Access will be purchasable without having backed at an appropriate level. That was the driving force in my upgrade decisions.

Moohasha - 8 months ago

That's super exciting! I can't wait to see what the prices are for some of the a la carte items!

Sanguinesh Eviscerator - 8 months ago

and ... FUBAR again ...

edit: I'm gonna add to this as it is not at all constructive on it's own. Do you guys put any forethought into things like this? How many people (not myself) spent many hundreds more buying tiers they did not want just to get one or two small "fluff" items or features? I keep trying to get back the massive hype I had and keep getting kicked down with crap like this.

Jarri - 8 months ago

Does this mean that people selling titles or giving titles away will maintain their expanded coat of arms options now?

CalligoMercator - 8 months ago

Awesome. Everyone who bought a package for one or a few specific rewards just got screwed over. And here I thought the early backers were supposed to get better deals and discounts for taking the risk of backing early.

Serpentius - 8 months ago
@CalligoMercator:

Posted By CalligoMercator at 11:06 AM - Fri Oct 20 2017

Awesome. Everyone who bought a package for one or a few specific rewards just got screwed over. And here I thought the early backers were supposed to get better deals and discounts for taking the risk of backing early.

Early backers did get the best deal(s), the a la carte options won't include any of the bundled discounts, so people will be paying full price. Thus, the earliest backers will still have received the highest value for those items.

It may be best to reserve judgement until the prices of the a la carte items are revealed.

Blankwindow - 8 months ago
@Serpentius:

Posted By Serpentius at 2:09 PM - Fri Oct 20 2017

Posted By CalligoMercator at 11:06 AM - Fri Oct 20 2017

Awesome. Everyone who bought a package for one or a few specific rewards just got screwed over. And here I thought the early backers were supposed to get better deals and discounts for taking the risk of backing early.

Early backers did get the best deal(s), the a la carte options won't include any of the bundled discounts, so people will be paying full price. Thus, the earliest backers will still have received the highest value for those items.

It may be best to reserve judgement until the prices of the a la carte items are revealed.

The negative responses from the community should have been easily predicted about this.

As such maybe should have released the prices with the announcement if your sure that will change oppinions?

Lo-Taren - 8 months ago

Wish the La Carte options had been available at the start..

Blankwindow - 8 months ago

Personally, not a fan of the changes. Had I known this would later be an option. I would have waited and created my own package.

I still would have spent the same amount of money, but would have been even happier with what I was getting out of it.

So frustrating to me personally....

Eurickdm - 8 months ago
@Blankwindow:

+- the same here... : /

Augustus_Aquila - 8 months ago

God bless Vie. Lol about time

Ilyria - 8 months ago

Finally a Surname :)

TheCoz - 8 months ago

!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

Flashman - 8 months ago

Great update, Vye. Now's the time to fill your boots, people :)